2008-10-04T11:03:28 ><><><><><><>< 2008-10-04T11:03:44 *** ArrowAFK has joined #SW-Meeting 2008-10-04T11:03:59 Hi everyone, thank you very much for coming. 2008-10-04T11:04:28 As we don't have a specific agenda for this meeting, it's very much an open discussion for any concerns that anyone would like to raise. 2008-10-04T11:04:41 The obvious discussion point is the move to GamerDNA's servers, 2008-10-04T11:05:01 which Prod has been diligently taking the lead on, and has been in contact with gDNA's server admin. 2008-10-04T11:05:32 So far, it sounds like they have few concerns on their side. 2008-10-04T11:05:47 Prod, do you have a narrowed down time table yet? 2008-10-04T11:05:53 *** Rocky has joined #SW-Meeting 2008-10-04T11:06:23 We should hopefuly be running on their servers by the end of the month 2008-10-04T11:07:02 it should be fully transparent to everyone here 2008-10-04T11:07:09 except for the speed increase :) 2008-10-04T11:07:22 Just for everyone's information, I can't remember all of the technical jargon that they used when they talked to me about their servers, but they are just one point removed from an internet backbone. 2008-10-04T11:07:48 The power of their servers, combined with the closeness of their connection should yield a tremendous performance increase. 2008-10-04T11:08:23 we'll probably have 1 weekend of downtime while we move things over 2008-10-04T11:08:33 or we might just lock the database 2008-10-04T11:08:54 And since they have a vested interest in keeping the site up and running, it should mean substantially more support and a faster response if the site ever goes down. 2008-10-04T11:09:07 Oh! Now I remember an important task. 2008-10-04T11:09:21 Who among us here is capable of fixing the right hand side tower ad problem that we have in IE? 2008-10-04T11:09:29 * Procyon is looking at Skiz 2008-10-04T11:09:30 it's in firefox too for me 2008-10-04T11:09:40 * Skizzerz looks at an absent Teddy 2008-10-04T11:09:44 Really? That's odd, I don't have the problem in Firefox. 2008-10-04T11:09:45 when resized, the banner does start to float over 2008-10-04T11:09:55 in FF 2008-10-04T11:09:55 * Skizzerz goes off to fix that now 2008-10-04T11:10:23 Thank you so much Skizzerz, that it pretty important. 2008-10-04T11:10:26 I think a lock will be sufficient. 2008-10-04T11:10:35 For the DB 2008-10-04T11:11:01 (Notmyhandle): we'll try to stay with a lock 2008-10-04T11:11:06 *** ArrowAFK is now known as Arrow 2008-10-04T11:11:07 depends how things work :P 2008-10-04T11:11:12 Okay, I'm back. What'd I miss? 2008-10-04T11:11:25 Arrow, please just scroll up or read the log. 2008-10-04T11:11:41 Alright, so at least we don't have a major agenda. 2008-10-04T11:11:56 And all this seems over my head, so I don't think I can contribute much @_@ 2008-10-04T11:11:57 OK, hopefully this fix won't take Skizzerz long to implement. 2008-10-04T11:13:01 we'll get to more general stuff, so just chill 2008-10-04T11:13:06 OK, speaking of gamerSNA ads, 2008-10-04T11:13:11 ack... DNA... 2008-10-04T11:13:26 You may have noticed that we're running at least one banner on abxy as well. 2008-10-04T11:13:41 I am going to ask them for their analysis of our site traffic soon. 2008-10-04T11:13:52 And I'll let everyone know what the results are. 2008-10-04T11:14:10 And since we're on the subject of abxy, we may as well discuss it. 2008-10-04T11:14:38 SW has obviously eclipsed abxy in terms of support and community. 2008-10-04T11:15:08 Well, it has lost the majority of its features... 2008-10-04T11:15:25 But SW was born out of abxy. In many ways, I would like to continue considering abxy as the parent of SW. 2008-10-04T11:15:33 That's true. 2008-10-04T11:15:54 abxy has a lot of potential. It's like a stem cell right now, it can become whatever we want it to become. 2008-10-04T11:15:57 But it needs support. 2008-10-04T11:16:01 It needs it's own staff, 2008-10-04T11:16:07 and it needs direction and guidance. 2008-10-04T11:16:25 I'm not suggesting anyone in this meeting go off and provide any of that. 2008-10-04T11:16:52 What I would like us to do is find qualified people who could, inside what remains of the existing abxy community, and outside as well. 2008-10-04T11:17:14 Yes, SW could do sufficiently well without abxy, but to me, that loss would be unfortunate. 2008-10-04T11:17:43 For example, 2008-10-04T11:18:02 I was in contact with a friend of mine who started up his own fledgling gamer web community. 2008-10-04T11:18:27 Ultimately, he wasn't interested in joining abxy (for now), but I figured it was worth a shot. 2008-10-04T11:19:19 If we could identify something similar, something that is just getting underway, and attract them to abxy, either as a sister site, or a merged community to breath some life back into it, 2008-10-04T11:19:29 that would be a worthwhile endeavour. 2008-10-04T11:20:05 So keep your eyes peeled if you've seen something like that, or know of anyone who is in the process of getting their own community off the ground. 2008-10-04T11:20:16 I'm thinking that until we allow ABXY to grow more as a site and not just a forum, it won't move. 2008-10-04T11:20:17 Approach them before they become too invested in their own site to move. 2008-10-04T11:21:05 I agree with you NMH. 2008-10-04T11:21:14 i agree with NMH, a lot of this has to do with the fact that there is no backbone to ABXY anymore, it needs more a purpose 2008-10-04T11:21:19 I don't think anyone's answered this, but for the GDNA transfer, have the other two sites been brought up with the staff over there? 2008-10-04T11:21:38 Also, anyone know why SIP is down? 2008-10-04T11:21:49 I think that Teddy has abandoned SIP as a project. 2008-10-04T11:21:53 ! 2008-10-04T11:22:09 Uhhh 2008-10-04T11:22:17 Teddy is not abandoning abxy/SW, he just felt that SIP had it's chance. 2008-10-04T11:22:34 NMH, why? How did you feel about SIP? 2008-10-04T11:22:36 I think SIP is necessary to compliment SW 2008-10-04T11:22:43 (Notmyhandle): completely agreed 2008-10-04T11:22:46 Since SW doesn't allow reviews... 2008-10-04T11:22:49 It may not be too late to reconvince him. 2008-10-04T11:22:51 but i don't think it had the critical mass it needed 2008-10-04T11:23:06 Right, which is why it's obviously a "sister project" 2008-10-04T11:23:07 Well, we never established any link between SW and SIP aside from abxy itself. 2008-10-04T11:23:16 These things don't ultimately do well by themselves 2008-10-04T11:23:31 Think of GameFAQs - Forum, Guides, Reviews... all in one. 2008-10-04T11:23:32 Perhaps if we included a SIP link between SW and the respective user reviews, it would have a better chance. 2008-10-04T11:23:50 well I was the first one to make that bridge 2008-10-04T11:23:53 on Wario World 2008-10-04T11:23:59 * Procyon looks 2008-10-04T11:24:10 yea, I remember that 2008-10-04T11:24:22 clear your caches, the sidebar issue should be fixed now 2008-10-04T11:24:49 Verified 2008-10-04T11:24:52 nice work Skizzerz 2008-10-04T11:24:58 Awesome job! 2008-10-04T11:25:10 ok, so to answer Notmyhandle's question above 2008-10-04T11:25:10 * Notmyhandle shakes Skizzerz' hand. 2008-10-04T11:25:21 We're moving ABXY, StrategyWiki, and IRC over 2008-10-04T11:25:38 NMH: I don't see any link from the Wario World page to SIP. 2008-10-04T11:26:06 it's right below the Infobox 2008-10-04T11:26:10 {{SIP}} looks like the Wikipedia box 2008-10-04T11:26:34 oh! 2008-10-04T11:26:41 Ah 2008-10-04T11:26:43 Very cool. 2008-10-04T11:26:49 We should approach Teddy about that. 2008-10-04T11:27:03 But we should also probably move it and make it more prominant. 2008-10-04T11:27:12 Like, attach it to the bottom of the Continue Nav 2008-10-04T11:27:16 I think it should be integrated into the site much better 2008-10-04T11:27:17 (just a suggestion) 2008-10-04T11:27:24 but that would require MW extensions 2008-10-04T11:27:30 We already started this triad with the new links on ABXY. I also felt that adding SIP to our left nav was important... but right now we just need to re-establish its existence. 2008-10-04T11:27:54 Both Prod and I will approach Teddy the next time he's available. 2008-10-04T11:27:59 perhaps re-integrate it into ABXY instead of making it it's own site? 2008-10-04T11:28:01 thx 2008-10-04T11:28:19 I do like the name... it's catchy and straightforward 2008-10-04T11:28:20 (Skizzerz): probably in a way 2008-10-04T11:28:42 But just because we have the domain doesnt mean it has to be separate as well... 2008-10-04T11:29:01 Anyways, I think development stuff can be discussed on the forum/next meeting after the transfer. 2008-10-04T11:29:07 considering we don't even really use abxy anymore.... 2008-10-04T11:29:18 Wasn't ech the one who killed it? 2008-10-04T11:29:24 yea 2008-10-04T11:29:25 NMH: I would also recommend that you leave a PM for Teddy on abxy 2008-10-04T11:29:28 First the DSmeet change/front page removal 2008-10-04T11:29:35 kk 2008-10-04T11:29:45 but it will be brought back in a new form 2008-10-04T11:29:48 eventually :P 2008-10-04T11:29:59 Look, without saying too much, the future of abxy is entirely in our hands. 2008-10-04T11:30:06 If we want it back, we can bring it back. 2008-10-04T11:30:17 And luckily we're only going up. 2008-10-04T11:30:21 True ^_^ 2008-10-04T11:30:32 Says the SW cabal. xD 2008-10-04T11:30:35 Would anyone like to raise any other issues at this time? 2008-10-04T11:30:44 or just ask questions :P 2008-10-04T11:30:59 I think we're good... 2008-10-04T11:31:31 Like I said, please keep an eye out for fledgling communities that might have something to contribute towards abxy, 2008-10-04T11:31:43 and see if you can't convince them to join. 2008-10-04T11:32:01 I guess in that vein 2008-10-04T11:32:05 There are other opportunities with GamerDNA as well. 2008-10-04T11:32:08 one follow up announcement from a previous discussion 2008-10-04T11:32:20 (They have a referal bonus program) 2008-10-04T11:32:21 the Exteelwiki has redirected all their traffic to us 2008-10-04T11:32:28 w00t! 2008-10-04T11:32:33 Aye tis good. 2008-10-04T11:32:54 Most small wikis will always beat us out for their broader scope... 2008-10-04T11:33:04 But a lot of people like the straight forward approach 2008-10-04T11:33:15 So, once we get that second wiki some day... 2008-10-04T11:33:42 Exteel gets on average 200 pageviews per day 2008-10-04T11:33:51 I agree, I would very much like to launch a second wiki once we're settled in on gDNA 2008-10-04T11:33:57 that would be great 2008-10-04T11:34:36 are we going to go through with the change to the console pages that Garrett came up with? 2008-10-04T11:34:50 Yeah we are. 2008-10-04T11:35:02 (Duke): already done 2008-10-04T11:35:07 oh, really? 2008-10-04T11:35:09 A place where we can host articles like "Mario" and "Triforce" 2008-10-04T11:35:09 i thinkso 2008-10-04T11:35:10 The problem, though is minimization... because it already breaks standardization of our infoboxes... 2008-10-04T11:35:15 i should've looked first heh 2008-10-04T11:35:57 so I guess we're into future views :P 2008-10-04T11:35:57 Like dates, we no longer have specific dates and stuff... 2008-10-04T11:36:00 Right 2008-10-04T11:36:05 some other potentials are starting multiple mini wikis 2008-10-04T11:36:12 so a wiki specifically for "mario games" 2008-10-04T11:36:18 a wiki for "zelda games" 2008-10-04T11:36:32 or if a game is big enough 2008-10-04T11:36:35 yeah its gonna get messy... 2008-10-04T11:36:37 maybe even a MapleStory wiki 2008-10-04T11:36:55 Yeah, I agree with NMH again. That's what I don't like about Wikia 2008-10-04T11:36:57 but those will have to be carefully planned 2008-10-04T11:37:13 What don't you like about Wikia? 2008-10-04T11:37:37 I think two big wikis... one with non-fictional walkthroughs, and one with fictional background material and history, is the way to go. 2008-10-04T11:38:03 i agree with proc and nmh on this 2008-10-04T11:38:26 NMH: To me, NMH is like walking through a mall. In some cases, two or more stores with have the same product, and some stores will sell it for less than other stores, so you have to look at all of them in order to find out which one is best. 2008-10-04T11:38:27 me too, the only problem i can see with that is title clashes 2008-10-04T11:38:41 proc: yeah 2008-10-04T11:38:51 the general one is definitely easier to manage 2008-10-04T11:38:55 lmao! That second "NMH" was supposed to read "Wikia" 2008-10-04T11:38:56 and reduces duplication 2008-10-04T11:39:00 however, we have to be careful not to become a mirror of wikipedia 2008-10-04T11:39:26 luckily our scope doesnt go beyond video games... 2008-10-04T11:39:28 Prod: We may start out like that in order to generate content quickly, but I think over time, we will differentiate. 2008-10-04T11:39:29 there's plenty outside their scope 2008-10-04T11:39:40 but we have to be certain not to get too far into their scope 2008-10-04T11:39:47 and I'm sure we'll have some level of mirroring 2008-10-04T11:39:54 overlap * 2008-10-04T11:40:02 The best part is that a lot of people dump stuff on Wikipedia that will be removed someday; but we end up with those contribs cuz we catch 'em... 2008-10-04T11:40:08 For example, I would love to post, under "Mario", and graphical depiction of how his look has evolved from game to game. 2008-10-04T11:40:36 NMH: I love mining deleted WP articles for character information. 2008-10-04T11:40:59 see that would be perfect for a second wiki 2008-10-04T11:41:01 Aye, gives the work new life. 2008-10-04T11:41:19 Many of the Street Fighter and Darkstalker profiles have come from deleted WP articles. 2008-10-04T11:41:40 anything else people would like to see in the ABXY network? 2008-10-04T11:41:52 I thought the news thing was pretty cool 2008-10-04T11:41:54 Dan would still like to see abxy connect become a reality. 2008-10-04T11:42:02 what was ABXY Connect? 2008-10-04T11:42:07 re-integration of the clans, perhaps giving people space for a clan subdomain if that's feasible/possbile 2008-10-04T11:42:10 like an xfire app 2008-10-04T11:42:11 for gamers right? 2008-10-04T11:42:13 The IM client. 2008-10-04T11:42:14 Yes 2008-10-04T11:42:23 that would be fantastic 2008-10-04T11:42:30 agree with Skiz 2008-10-04T11:42:34 (Skizzerz): GamerDNA provides guild hosting 2008-10-04T11:43:19 cool... then that's less work for us ^_^ 2008-10-04T11:44:33 Anything else on the agenda? 2008-10-04T11:45:02 Not to my knowledge. Just want to say how much of a pleasure it is to work with you guys, especially after all this time. 2008-10-04T11:45:19 I think we're doin pretty well. 2008-10-04T11:45:19 back at you, it has been a while now hasn't it 2008-10-04T11:45:28 I've only been here 2 years 2008-10-04T11:45:30 although i have been on and fof >.< 2008-10-04T11:45:36 the domain is almost 3 years old :) 2008-10-04T11:45:37 But dang that's a long time 2008-10-04T11:45:37 My first contribution was June 2006 NMH 2008-10-04T11:45:55 2 Years, 11 Months, 6 days. 2008-10-04T11:46:06 * Skizzerz 's was... 2008-10-04T11:46:07 so, does anyone have any more questions about anything? 2008-10-04T11:46:22 proc: actually more like January 9, 2006 2008-10-04T11:46:27 I joined SW because I was attempting to make an online version of the Official Nintendo Player's Guide book that wasn't working very well. 2008-10-04T11:46:36 yeah off topic proc 2008-10-04T11:46:39 xD 2008-10-04T11:46:40 :P 2008-10-04T11:46:42 >_<; 2008-10-04T11:46:43 may '06 was my first contrib 2008-10-04T11:46:53 I was going to bring up a small discussion about projects 2008-10-04T11:47:03 go for it 2008-10-04T11:47:04 Anyone got anything else? 2008-10-04T11:47:22 (Notmyhandle): go ahead 2008-10-04T11:47:26 Alright, so Duke is also interested in this, basically projects are our next big thing for collaboration 2008-10-04T11:47:35 right 2008-10-04T11:47:42 Our only game related project is the moves list project 2008-10-04T11:47:51 and achievements project 2008-10-04T11:47:55 Ah yeah 2008-10-04T11:48:07 So the first thing is to figure out how we want to present these 2008-10-04T11:48:16 Because like the moves list one is just a talk page right now 2008-10-04T11:48:38 Well, there's [[Category:Move lists]] too 2008-10-04T11:48:44 We should be able to provide readers with sort of... missions or scopes for the projects. 2008-10-04T11:48:54 agreed 2008-10-04T11:48:58 The Move lists project page definately needs more conten 2008-10-04T11:48:58 Yeah, but the content there could be moved 2008-10-04T11:48:59 t 2008-10-04T11:49:12 A project is more like a portal 2008-10-04T11:49:18 * Procyon has always slacked off when it came to the Project page :P 2008-10-04T11:49:24 And I know I'm thinking of Wikipedia, but it doesn't have to be just like them 2008-10-04T11:49:49 it should be up to the project participants to design a page, but they should at least have a scope and project guidelines/standards 2008-10-04T11:49:49 * Prod still misses calling them quests :( 2008-10-04T11:49:59 Lol prod that would be awesome 2008-10-04T11:50:05 http://strategywiki.org/wiki/StrategyWiki:Cleanup_project 2008-10-04T11:50:16 that one is "relatively" active 2008-10-04T11:50:19 Right but as admins we should be able to help mold whatever they come up with 2008-10-04T11:50:38 We need structure for standardization and cleanliness, but freedom for growth. 2008-10-04T11:50:39 I would suggest any "standardized layout" should be tested there first 2008-10-04T11:50:53 Prod: i think that one is the most active XD 2008-10-04T11:51:00 cause all of us are on it :P 2008-10-04T11:51:03 aha 2008-10-04T11:51:05 i don't necessarily think we need a standard project page, but the page should include certain things 2008-10-04T11:51:12 right 2008-10-04T11:51:14 (Duke): agreed 2008-10-04T11:51:20 We don't need like, a page load button for them 2008-10-04T11:51:26 we need a "suggested" layout, or something 2008-10-04T11:51:52 For everyone's reference 2008-10-04T11:51:53 this is what you should include, here is an example, go be creative 2008-10-04T11:51:59 this is a continuation of the discussion at http://forums.abxy.org/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=26647 2008-10-04T11:52:01 oo... anyone ever think of an umbrella "guide" for projects? 2008-10-04T11:52:07 something we can use {{Header Nav}} for? 2008-10-04T11:52:10 such as? 2008-10-04T11:52:16 Like SW:Projects 2008-10-04T11:52:24 (Notmyhandle): I'd be somewhat against that 2008-10-04T11:52:29 No, I mean, what would the umbrella be like? 2008-10-04T11:52:35 *** Garrett has joined #SW-Meeting 2008-10-04T11:52:46 so if we think of it like our standard structure 2008-10-04T11:52:59 main page = description of projects, how to make them, etc. (possibly taken from SW:Guide) 2008-10-04T11:53:09 subpages = all projects in a ToC or whatever 2008-10-04T11:53:21 it doesnt have to be, we can also make the HN a single page type 2008-10-04T11:53:25 (Notmyhandle): that could become a very long list, which is why i'm not really a fan 2008-10-04T11:53:37 so cleanup would move to [[SW:Projects/Cleanup]] ? 2008-10-04T11:53:40 Well we could make it Category:Projects 2008-10-04T11:54:01 http://strategywiki.org/wiki/StrategyWiki:Projects 2008-10-04T11:54:04 since that's more automated and doesn't require a guide heirarchy 2008-10-04T11:54:05 already a redirect 2008-10-04T11:54:18 and that category is already there ;) 2008-10-04T11:54:53 Great! 2008-10-04T11:54:54 I had no idea 2008-10-04T11:54:57 :) 2008-10-04T11:55:02 maybe we could just update the category page with some more information about creating one, and then direct it to a page on the SW:Guide with more specific guidelines and suggestions 2008-10-04T11:55:03 We have a lot of invisible stuff going on 2008-10-04T11:55:06 I set that all up when I cleaned up the projects pages 2008-10-04T11:55:14 like Guide completion is completely unknown to those who havent worked on it 2008-10-04T11:55:31 We need a page in teh guide about projects 2008-10-04T11:55:35 right 2008-10-04T11:56:43 I guess that's how we can start 2008-10-04T11:57:21 ya, that sounds good 2008-10-04T11:57:42 do we need a process for determining what projects are considered unecessary or overkill? 2008-10-04T11:57:49 not yet 2008-10-04T11:58:00 once we see the first one 2008-10-04T11:58:05 we'll figure out a process to kill it :P 2008-10-04T11:58:17 ok, fair enough 2008-10-04T11:58:27 we've already killed one or two of them >_> 2008-10-04T11:58:33 oh? 2008-10-04T11:58:34 we have? 2008-10-04T11:58:35 which ones? 2008-10-04T11:59:20 I don't remember, it was quite a long time ago. 2008-10-04T11:59:43 but we definitely don't need hard policies about them yet 2008-10-04T11:59:50 that's putting the cart before the horse. 2008-10-04T12:00:04 * Prod prefers to put an engine in front of both 2008-10-04T12:00:14 it could also be called pre-empting, but i don't care either way 2008-10-04T12:00:28 as long as we don't wait until it becomes difficult 2008-10-04T12:00:34 which i don't think we will 2008-10-04T12:00:46 Guys, I don't want to preempt this discussion, I think it's very worthwhile to have, and should continue on the forums. 2008-10-04T12:00:59 We could make history by ending the meeting at exactly one hour :) 2008-10-04T12:01:02 lol 2008-10-04T12:01:04 Lets do it 2008-10-04T12:01:06 hehe 2008-10-04T12:01:07 cool 2008-10-04T12:01:42 OK. Thanks very much to everyone here for attending. I don't need to remind you that SW wouldn't be half the success that it is without your support and care, but I will. 2008-10-04T12:01:59 We will be back here in one month. 2008-10-04T12:02:09 thank you proc 2008-10-04T12:02:45 ><><><><><><><