[2:59:06p 3/27/10] !logon [2:59:12p 3/27/10] Awesome [2:59:19p 3/27/10] Thanks for coming everyone. [2:59:30p 3/27/10] We're an hour behind, and I don't have a preamble, [2:59:37p 3/27/10] so we'll just kick this off. [2:59:50p 3/27/10] Prod, which topic do you want to start with? [2:59:54p 3/27/10] so [2:59:58p 3/27/10] a few "announcements" [3:00:03p 3/27/10] We now have a noticeboard [3:00:19p 3/27/10] found http://strategywiki.org/wiki/StrategyWiki:Noticeboard [3:00:32p 3/27/10] it's easily viewable from the community portal llink on the left [3:00:42p 3/27/10] everyone should either watchlist the noticeboard [3:00:50p 3/27/10] or check CP every now and then [3:00:58p 3/27/10] it isn't protected [3:01:09p 3/27/10] so anyone can add notices, and there's a handy edit link on the CP as well [3:01:21p 3/27/10] if you do something you feel might interest the community, feel free to post [3:01:39p 3/27/10] you can see a few examples already there [3:01:55p 3/27/10] things like melon's contests, or questionable deletion notices [3:02:01p 3/27/10] not really any more guidelines than that [3:02:18p 3/27/10] questions/concerns? [3:02:30p 3/27/10] nope. [3:02:31p 3/27/10] Thanks very much for setting that up Prod. [3:02:39p 3/27/10] will old notices be archived or just removed? [3:02:42p 3/27/10] joint effor with naj :) [3:02:43p 3/27/10] removed [3:02:54p 3/27/10] we haven't decided on a timespan [3:03:03p 3/27/10] right [3:03:03p 3/27/10] but whenever it looks like it's getting long we'll trim it [3:03:14p 3/27/10] or just aren't relevant anymore [3:03:43p 3/27/10] ok [3:03:46p 3/27/10] next up [3:03:49p 3/27/10] New facebook page [3:03:56p 3/27/10] anyone on facebook [3:03:58p 3/27/10] Ah yes :) [3:03:59p 3/27/10] can fan this page [3:04:00p 3/27/10] http://www.facebook.com/pages/StrategyWiki/349874845973 [3:04:08p 3/27/10] Can anyone post msgs? [3:04:15p 3/27/10] anyone can send to it [3:04:17p 3/27/10] I've been posting links to guides I finish, [3:04:20p 3/27/10] like trevor [3:04:22p 3/27/10] OK, [3:04:27p 3/27/10] then I hope everyone will do so. [3:04:30p 3/27/10] agree [3:04:34p 3/27/10] -Procyon- goes to it [3:04:41p 3/27/10] if people want to post _as_ sw [3:04:58p 3/27/10] let me or procyon know, and we'll make you admins [3:05:04p 3/27/10] for the moment [3:05:08p 3/27/10] we'll stick to sysop and higher [3:05:13p 3/27/10] Oh, here: Here is this week's summary for the Facebook Page: StrategyWiki +7 Fans this week (21 total Fans) Wall Posts, Comments, and Likes this week ( last week) 49 Visits to your page this week (68 Visits last week) [3:05:36p 3/27/10] i would suggest everyone invite all their friends :D [3:05:51p 3/27/10] about 16 of the people already in the group are my friends :P [3:05:54p 3/27/10] i spammed them all :D [3:05:57p 3/27/10] Please do [3:06:17p 3/27/10] as a bonus [3:06:23p 3/27/10] anything posted _as_ strategywiki [3:06:28p 3/27/10] also gets posted to the twitter page [3:06:28p 3/27/10] http://twitter.com/StrategyWiki [3:06:38p 3/27/10] feel free to follow it :) [3:06:46p 3/27/10] for the facebook [3:06:47p 3/27/10] group [3:07:10p 3/27/10] I suggest that we rename it so that it perhaps includes something like ¨The game walkthrough wiki¨ or something [3:07:12p 3/27/10] otherwise [3:07:13p 3/27/10] We need to get Teddy to develop a logo [3:07:18p 3/27/10] the majority of people won´t know what the group is about. [3:07:23p 3/27/10] facebook group is being deleted [3:07:30p 3/27/10] oh? [3:07:35p 3/27/10] Is another one going in its place? [3:07:46p 3/27/10] so facebook has two types of these things [3:07:48p 3/27/10] there's the group [3:07:50p 3/27/10] The fanpage replaces the group page [3:07:51p 3/27/10] and then there's the page [3:07:53p 3/27/10] right [3:07:58p 3/27/10] so you're saying [3:08:17p 3/27/10] rename to StrategyWiki - the free strategy guide and walkthrough wiki? [3:08:31p 3/27/10] http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pages/StrategyWiki/349874845973?v=wall&ref=sgm [3:08:35p 3/27/10] i'm not actually sure if we can change the name anymore [3:08:38p 3/27/10] Yeah. Gamers will definitely want to check it out in that case... [3:08:41p 3/27/10] once people join [3:08:45p 3/27/10] Plus, it says that in the description [3:08:49p 3/27/10] yea [3:08:59p 3/27/10] oh look, an update! [3:09:04p 3/27/10] "Detailed Info cancel EditEdit Detailed Info Website: http://strategywiki.org Mission: A collaborative and freely-licensed wiki for all your video game strategy guide and walkthrough needs!" [3:09:14p 3/27/10] Hehe, guilty [3:09:34p 3/27/10] we have a new twitter follower as well :D [3:09:39p 3/27/10] It might be in the desc, but when a friend fans a page and that gets advertised in his social network [3:09:45p 3/27/10] But I want everyone to promote their guides on there. [3:09:45p 3/27/10] do we know if the description is included? [3:09:48p 3/27/10] because I don´t think so... [3:10:05p 3/27/10] 12(ness12): unfortunately we can't change the name without clearing out the group [3:10:11p 3/27/10] Ness: I'm not certain either. we can investigate it. [3:10:22p 3/27/10] additionally for twitter [3:10:29p 3/27/10] well, there are only 23 people at the moment [3:10:33p 3/27/10] if anyone wants to post anything to the twitter page [3:10:33p 3/27/10] and we need a page anyway [3:10:34p 3/27/10] right? [3:10:34p 3/27/10] http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Special:Twitterupdate [3:10:38p 3/27/10] you can do so through that [3:10:39p 3/27/10] special page [3:10:54p 3/27/10] Nice job [3:10:54p 3/27/10] 12(ness12): that's more than we ever got from the group [3:11:25p 3/27/10] Ness: I agree with your concern, but we can find other ways to emphasize the point of the site. [3:11:26p 3/27/10] Ah, I see. I think the group would have more advertising potential if it were to include that description in its title [3:11:33p 3/27/10] hm [3:11:40p 3/27/10] we'll have to see how it shows up for peopel [3:11:42p 3/27/10] okay. we´ll need to research that [3:11:43p 3/27/10] right [3:11:57p 3/27/10] The SW page is more "official" [3:12:03p 3/27/10] yea [3:12:12p 3/27/10] oh, so this page already exists. [3:12:22p 3/27/10] mmkay. [3:12:55p 3/27/10] any other q's? [3:13:22p 3/27/10] ok [3:13:23p 3/27/10] next up [3:13:27p 3/27/10] the WIP Bot [3:13:38p 3/27/10] as you guys know (and some are guilty of) [3:13:45p 3/27/10] people put wip templates on pages [3:13:51p 3/27/10] and then never take them down [3:14:08p 3/27/10] so, i've now got a bot that will go through and check when the last update was [3:14:15p 3/27/10] and if it was greater than a certain time [3:14:18p 3/27/10] untag it for wip [3:14:37p 3/27/10] http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Category:Works_in_progress [3:14:56p 3/27/10] so to test, i ran it saying the certain time was 1 year [3:14:57p 3/27/10] ie [3:15:03p 3/27/10] if it wasn't modified in over a year, detag it [3:15:18p 3/27/10] that seems a bit long [3:15:28p 3/27/10] I agree [3:15:30p 3/27/10] cause if it hasn't been edited in 9 months, it isn't really "in progress" [3:15:41p 3/27/10] so what do people think would be a good period to choose? [3:15:53p 3/27/10] 2 or 3 months? [3:16:26p 3/27/10] Moydow, Jon, thoughts? [3:16:31p 3/27/10] i think thats good [3:16:35p 3/27/10] Two months sounds good to me. [3:16:37p 3/27/10] 2 months even. [3:16:44p 3/27/10] all agree for 2 months? [3:16:52p 3/27/10] yes [3:17:13p 3/27/10] ok, i'll run it for two months old pages later today [3:17:21p 3/27/10] terrific [3:17:25p 3/27/10] i'll run it weekly for now, may set it to be done automatically [3:17:33p 3/27/10] as a cron job or something -- Moydow has left the server. -- Moydow has left the server. -- Moydow has left the server. -- Moydow has left the server. [3:18:08p 3/27/10] next up [3:18:27p 3/27/10] it's the time of month to pick a collaboration [3:18:32p 3/27/10] http://strategywiki.org/wiki/StrategyWiki:Collaboration_of_the_Month [3:18:48p 3/27/10] please vote now, and we'll tally them and pick one at the end of the meeting [3:19:33p 3/27/10] ok, now for the real meat [3:19:38p 3/27/10] digital distributors [3:19:47p 3/27/10] copy of the discussion is here [3:19:48p 3/27/10] http://abxy.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=27128 [3:20:09p 3/27/10] 12(Garrett12): you were directly involved with the discussion [3:20:23p 3/27/10] oh yes [3:20:26p 3/27/10] can you give us a short version of what will change? [3:20:33p 3/27/10] najzere's proposal is that digital distributors be treated as distributors, rather than "systems". [3:20:56p 3/27/10] so we move it to the "distributor" field? [3:21:00p 3/27/10] basically yes [3:21:02p 3/27/10] e.g. Xbox Live Arcade would become a distributor for XBLA games rather than a distinct platform from the 360 itself. [3:21:24p 3/27/10] this means that games for a platform would be in the parent category regardless of their method of distribution [3:21:38p 3/27/10] so it would say xbla would be the distributor -- Moydow has joined in the meeting. [3:21:51p 3/27/10] but xbox 360 would be the system? [3:22:06p 3/27/10] yeah [3:22:19p 3/27/10] what about the achievemetn cats? [3:22:24p 3/27/10] they're kinda like "achievements for system" [3:22:25p 3/27/10] those would change too [3:22:35p 3/27/10] how so? [3:22:54p 3/27/10] it doesn't really matter whether say a 360 game is retail or XBLA, it still is gamerscore and whatnot. [3:23:06p 3/27/10] it doesn't show up differently? [3:23:14p 3/27/10] no [3:23:23p 3/27/10] http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Category:Achievements [3:23:33p 3/27/10] so psn trophies would disappear [3:23:37p 3/27/10] yeah [3:23:40p 3/27/10] and xbla achievements would disappear [3:23:43p 3/27/10] yeah [3:24:00p 3/27/10] but be merged into the relevant ps3/x360 cat [3:24:01p 3/27/10] it also solves the problem of multi-platform DD services such as PSN and soon to be Steam. [3:24:02p 3/27/10] yeah [3:24:08p 3/27/10] yea [3:24:16p 3/27/10] what about when ps4 comes out [3:24:16p 3/27/10] nice [3:24:21p 3/27/10] lol [3:24:27p 3/27/10] and all the psn trophies are available there as well? [3:24:49p 3/27/10] do we recategorize them all as ps4 trophies as well? [3:24:56p 3/27/10] PS4 games would be listed as PS4 games. [3:24:59p 3/27/10] Wouldn't that be a "cross that bridge when we come to it" situation? [3:25:07p 3/27/10] planning ahead :D [3:25:24p 3/27/10] Actually, yeah, I agree with Garrett, PS4 games should be independant. [3:25:26p 3/27/10] right now PS4 DD games would just go into the same cat as PS3 and PSP DD games [3:25:41p 3/27/10] true [3:25:43p 3/27/10] well [3:25:45p 3/27/10] this solves more problems than it creates I should think. [3:25:48p 3/27/10] any other thoughts/questions/concerns? [3:26:01p 3/27/10] anyone against? [3:26:08p 3/27/10] I'm cool with it. [3:26:12p 3/27/10] i like it too [3:26:20p 3/27/10] i guess this will be a slowly done bot takeover? [3:26:54p 3/27/10] via AWB [3:27:07p 3/27/10] since there will need to be human cleanup for a lot of it [3:27:43p 3/27/10] let me chekck what kind of traffic those pages get [3:28:00p 3/27/10] the cat pages [3:28:08p 3/27/10] i don't want to delete them immediately if people are still using them [3:28:25p 3/27/10] you mean the achievement cats? [3:28:31p 3/27/10] yea [3:28:53p 3/27/10] ok [3:28:59p 3/27/10] neither get more than 3 or 4 views per day [3:29:02p 3/27/10] they'll survive [3:29:10p 3/27/10] the people will survive without the cats [3:29:27p 3/27/10] so, lets go ahead with this [3:29:41p 3/27/10] and we'll figure out how to go about it on the talk page [3:30:07p 3/27/10] ok, next discussion [3:30:10p 3/27/10] ratings categories [3:30:14p 3/27/10] http://abxy.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=26798 [3:30:19p 3/27/10] it's been a while since this one came up [3:30:23p 3/27/10] so i'll give you guys a few minutes [3:30:25p 3/27/10] to read up [3:31:17p 3/27/10] is this useful? [3:31:29p 3/27/10] searching for games rated ESRB T [3:31:30p 3/27/10] or R [3:31:32p 3/27/10] or whatever [3:31:37p 3/27/10] i'm somewhat undecded [3:31:57p 3/27/10] It has to be more useful than the month/date categories :P [3:32:03p 3/27/10] no wai [3:32:04p 3/27/10] Or the Single Player category. [3:32:09p 3/27/10] i can check what was released on my birthday! [3:32:09p 3/27/10] :D [3:32:19p 3/27/10] Oh wow, I never did that :o [3:32:23p 3/27/10] -Procyon- checks [3:32:45p 3/27/10] here's the two options i saw [3:32:46p 3/27/10] * Category for each rating for each rating level. ([[Category:ESRB R]], [[Category:ESRB T]], etc.) [3:32:46p 3/27/10] For the record, I unfortunately did not budget my time for this meeting and I´ll be on my way out. Hope to work with you guys soon -- and let me know if there´s anything I can help with :) [3:32:46p 3/27/10] * Category for all games rated by certain group with section for each rating level. ([[Category:ESRB]] has sections #T, #R, etc.) [3:32:54p 3/27/10] Bye now. [3:33:01p 3/27/10] byes [3:33:03p 3/27/10] thnx for joining ness [3:33:03p 3/27/10] cya [3:33:05p 3/27/10] bye ness. [3:33:06p 3/27/10] no problem [3:33:07p 3/27/10] bye -- ness has left the server. -- ness has left the server. -- ness has left the server. -- ness has left the server. [3:33:20p 3/27/10] Hey, Guitar Hero and WoW came out on my birthday. [3:33:37p 3/27/10] a popular day :D [3:33:37p 3/27/10] now [3:33:43p 3/27/10] the 2nd option i mentioned above [3:33:48p 3/27/10] DMC and a Phoenix Wright game came out on mine, haha. [3:33:59p 3/27/10] nice :) [3:33:59p 3/27/10] should be easier on categories [3:34:18p 3/27/10] ie. 10x fewer categories [3:34:25p 3/27/10] but the 1st one "kinda" makes more sense [3:34:27p 3/27/10] I agree [3:34:32p 3/27/10] Oh, [3:34:36p 3/27/10] especially if multiple ratings use the same letter [3:34:39p 3/27/10] I was in support of the second idea. [3:34:42p 3/27/10] Oh wait [3:34:44p 3/27/10] ie. E vs. E10 plus [3:34:45p 3/27/10] nvm, [3:34:50p 3/27/10] I like the first idea. [3:34:54p 3/27/10] haha [3:35:07p 3/27/10] I assume those ESRB cats would be categorized under one ESRB parent cat. [3:35:14p 3/27/10] yeah [3:35:21p 3/27/10] the ESRB description page would be moved there too [3:35:37p 3/27/10] yea [3:35:46p 3/27/10] so it moves out of main namespace and becomes another category page [3:35:59p 3/27/10] right [3:36:23p 3/27/10] technically, either of the options is easily done -- Moydow has left the server. -- Moydow has left the server. -- Moydow has left the server. -- Moydow has left the server. [3:36:56p 3/27/10] so [3:37:01p 3/27/10] who's for type 1? [3:37:33p 3/27/10] Ay [3:37:43p 3/27/10] or is it aye? [3:37:48p 3/27/10] It's Aye. [3:37:49p 3/27/10] aye i believe :P [3:37:50p 3/27/10] and Aye. [3:37:54p 3/27/10] how about this [3:37:59p 3/27/10] state option 1 or option 2 [3:38:06p 3/27/10] op 1 [3:38:11p 3/27/10] option 1 [3:38:20p 3/27/10] Garrett? [3:38:34p 3/27/10] which is which? >_> [3:38:44p 3/27/10] [[Cat:ESRB R]] = opt 1 [3:38:51p 3/27/10] [[cat:esrb#R]] = opt 2 [3:39:11p 3/27/10] #R? So they would be under the letter R in the cat or what? [3:39:15p 3/27/10] yea [3:39:23p 3/27/10] [[Category:ESRB|R]] [3:40:13p 3/27/10] I suppose I'd go for option 2 [3:40:35p 3/27/10] Usage example at: http://strategywiki.org/w/index.php?tit ... mes&from=H. The link isn't exactly pretty, and #'s wouldn't work since it could still have text sections. [3:40:46p 3/27/10] http://strategywiki.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Games&from=H [3:41:19p 3/27/10] and no sorting [3:41:27p 3/27/10] by name [3:41:35p 3/27/10] unless we did something like [3:41:41p 3/27/10] [[Category:ESRB|R{{GAMENAME}} [3:41:44p 3/27/10] [[Category:ESRB|R{{GAMENAME}}]] [3:42:03p 3/27/10] oh right [3:42:07p 3/27/10] option 1 it is then <_< [3:42:13p 3/27/10] ok [3:42:33p 3/27/10] i'm going to assume ashley isn't going to vote :) [3:42:43p 3/27/10] wanderer isn't here [3:42:52p 3/27/10] and as he's the main proponent of table styles [3:42:58p 3/27/10] we'll put that off till the next meeting [3:43:07p 3/27/10] unless people really want to go over it now? [3:43:30p 3/27/10] -Prod- will work on the ratings reclassification tomorrow or something [3:43:44p 3/27/10] ok [3:43:50p 3/27/10] which brings us back to the collaboration of the month [3:44:01p 3/27/10] Yeah, table styles can wait [3:44:10p 3/27/10] there are many tied at 2 votes for [3:44:22p 3/27/10] please vote! [3:44:50p 3/27/10] I'll pick another one :) [3:45:30p 3/27/10] Voted. [3:45:41p 3/27/10] I picked two more. [3:45:55p 3/27/10] 12(Garrett12): you done voting? [3:45:59p 3/27/10] Oh we can vote twice [3:46:09p 3/27/10] (more than once) [3:46:09p 3/27/10] vote on everyone you support [3:46:25p 3/27/10] though [3:46:30p 3/27/10] voting on all is pointless :P [3:46:42p 3/27/10] lol "gotta vote'em all" [3:46:45p 3/27/10] Haha [3:46:50p 3/27/10] I voted for all the ones I actually own. [3:46:53p 3/27/10] honestly I'd suggest we select FFXIII regardless of which one gets the most votes. [3:46:59p 3/27/10] new Final Fantasies don't come around every day [3:47:09p 3/27/10] we have done this sort of thing in the past with other popular new relesaes [3:47:11p 3/27/10] IIRC [3:47:27p 3/27/10] I agree with Garrett, that was my #1 pick [3:47:38p 3/27/10] Yeah, what Procyon said. [3:47:52p 3/27/10] ok, I think we have our game. [3:48:26p 3/27/10] looks like it's ff xiii [3:48:31p 3/27/10] :D [3:48:46p 3/27/10] who would like to write up the blurb? [3:49:09p 3/27/10] jon? :) [3:49:22p 3/27/10] D: [3:49:29p 3/27/10] What should it say? [3:49:45p 3/27/10] something about the hot chick actually not being a dude this time around? ;) [3:49:50p 3/27/10] haha [3:49:50p 3/27/10] ahaha. [3:49:59p 3/27/10] Thanks for the spoiler Garrett :P [3:50:03p 3/27/10] and the nice chick not getting stabbed through the chest! [3:50:11p 3/27/10] poor aeris :'( [3:50:16p 3/27/10] lol [3:50:55p 3/27/10] [[Final Fantasy XIII]] is the newest installment in the Final Fantasy series, and the first true Final Fantasy on the Xbox 360 and PS3. [3:51:08p 3/27/10] Best I could come up with, based on the Pokemon R/B/Y blurb [3:51:10p 3/27/10] :D [3:51:11p 3/27/10] :D [3:51:19p 3/27/10] and a sentence to mention that it's the CotM [3:51:28p 3/27/10] we can discuss back in #strategywiki [3:51:42p 3/27/10] which leaves us with the last topic on the agenda [3:51:44p 3/27/10] scope [3:51:45p 3/27/10] but [3:51:50p 3/27/10] we're already 50 minutes over time [3:51:57p 3/27/10] so i'll postpone that as well to the next meeting [3:51:59p 3/27/10] Yeah, I need to go soon :( [3:52:03p 3/27/10] It's a huge discussion. [3:52:15p 3/27/10] And I think we should twist naj's arm into coming for that one. [3:52:17p 3/27/10] ok, any topics people would like brought up next time? [3:52:32p 3/27/10] Yeah... meeting attendance :P [3:52:37p 3/27/10] haha [3:52:44p 3/27/10] srsly [3:53:01p 3/27/10] oh btw, congrats to jon for getting rollback powers [3:53:18p 3/27/10] Oh, hey, just an off-topic note since by the next meeting, it will probably have already taken place, [3:53:20p 3/27/10] :) Thanks. [3:53:37p 3/27/10] but I will be hosting the next destructoid.com Baltimore/DC community party at my house mid-April. [3:53:45p 3/27/10] sweet [3:53:54p 3/27/10] Three days of video game playing debauchery all weekend long. [3:54:16p 3/27/10] I'll post a link to the announcement on my User page. [3:54:43p 3/27/10] oh yea [3:54:49p 3/27/10] april fools day is coming up [3:55:00p 3/27/10] if anyone has some easy suggestions for a prank this year [3:55:03p 3/27/10] please let me know ;) [3:55:10p 3/27/10] SW joins Wikia? [3:55:18p 3/27/10] haha [3:55:21p 3/27/10] :D [3:55:26p 3/27/10] privately ;) [3:55:29p 3/27/10] so it'll be a surprise [3:55:33p 3/27/10] I know ;) [3:56:17p 3/27/10] Alright, cool. [3:56:18p 3/27/10] Well, [3:56:23p 3/27/10] thanks for coming everybody. [3:56:38p 3/27/10] Good meeting. [3:56:51p 3/27/10] next meeting [3:56:57p 3/27/10] will be at the end of april [3:57:04p 3/27/10] Sounds good. [3:57:04p 3/27/10] last saturday of april [3:57:25p 3/27/10] post topics in the forums and reply to the meeting invite if you would like it added to scope [3:57:36p 3/27/10] the the scope of the meeting discussion * [3:57:37p 3/27/10] :P [3:58:08p 3/27/10] cya'll next time