Mar 08 13:09:22 <@Procyon>    Thanks for coming everyone.
Mar 08 13:10:02 <@Procyon>    After being put off for some time, it just so happens this meeting coincides with a lot of activity.
Mar 08 13:10:14 *    Duke has joined #SW-Meeting
Mar 08 13:10:15 <@Procyon>    So without further ado, we'll dive right into things.
Mar 08 13:10:39 <@Procyon>    i'm purposely not moderating this, as I feel that as a team, we've all been working so well together,
Mar 08 13:10:47 <@Procyon>    and I want a free flow of ideas.
Mar 08 13:10:58 <@Procyon>    issue 1: # IRC stuff (getting more people on, getting some StrategyWiki IRCops, etc.)
Mar 08 13:11:14 <@Procyon>    This was actually address last week during the failed attempt to start a meeting.
Mar 08 13:11:22 <@Procyon>    skizzerz and I were waiting,
Mar 08 13:11:23 <+Skizzerz>    (part of it, anyway)
Mar 08 13:11:37 <@Procyon>    and we managed to bug ness, and get him to change the config,
Mar 08 13:11:49 <@Procyon>    so i'm proud to announce that Skizzerz is our new representative SW IRCop
Mar 08 13:11:54 <@Procyon>    Congrats Skizzerz.
Mar 08 13:11:56 <+Skizzerz>    thanks
Mar 08 13:12:09 <@Procyon>    Since you are the resident IRCop, I'll let you field the rest of this topic.
Mar 08 13:12:14 <+Skizzerz>    sure
Mar 08 13:12:39 <+Skizzerz>    well, exception being today, people coming on have noticed that our IRC channel has been a bit empty as of late
Mar 08 13:13:17 <+Skizzerz>    so, we should come up with some way of bringing more attention to it
Mar 08 13:14:08 <+Skizzerz>    There are many ways of doing this. The easiest would be setting up a page (StrategyWiki:IRC or the like), saying a few things about it, offering some help, etc.
Mar 08 13:14:31 <+Skizzerz>    Another option (perhaps in tandem) would be to set up a PJIRC gateway like abxy's that lets people connect to the channel without having a client
Mar 08 13:15:00 <teddy>    Highlight my name when you feel I should take part in this here bicker.
Mar 08 13:15:03 <~Prod>    we could also just point people to abxy
Mar 08 13:15:10 <~Prod>    #abxy *
Mar 08 13:15:17 <@Procyon>    That certainly seem's reasonable since abxy already does it.
Mar 08 13:15:18 <~Prod>    have a gaming chat directly there
Mar 08 13:15:48 <+Skizzerz>    yes, gaming chat could go there (and probably should), but for people who want live help, etc. #strategywiki might be a better location
Mar 08 13:15:53 <~Prod>    #StrategyWiki can be just for help
Mar 08 13:15:54 <~Prod>    yea
Mar 08 13:16:04 <~Prod>    wiki help *
Mar 08 13:16:21 <koweja>    well, for starters we could call attention to it on the staff lounge and CI pages
Mar 08 13:16:39 <Duke>    maybe make a sticky in the forums?  IRC help?
Mar 08 13:16:47 <thatguy>    main page sidebar?
Mar 08 13:17:06 <+Skizzerz>    I was thinking making a separate page and adding a link to the Sidebar
Mar 08 13:17:32 <~Prod>    "Live chat"
Mar 08 13:17:50 <@Procyon>    Staff Lounge and CI are going to change, so hold off on that idea.
Mar 08 13:18:05 <~Prod>    we can save that for topic #5
Mar 08 13:18:18 <koweja>    we would definitely need a StrategyWiki:IRC page anyway, if for nothing more than basic instructions for people
Mar 08 13:18:28 <+Skizzerz>    I could set one up
Mar 08 13:18:35 <@Procyon>    That would be awesome.
Mar 08 13:19:05 <+Skizzerz>    However, if this is to work, we'll need some more IRC participation staff-wise
Mar 08 13:19:14 <+Skizzerz>    I know we all have lives and can't be on IRC everyday
Mar 08 13:19:29 <@Procyon>    I can't be on the IRC at work >_<;
Mar 08 13:19:37 <@Procyon>    But I should log on when I'm home.
Mar 08 13:20:26 <+Skizzerz>    so we should just try to remember to come on every so often so that it isn't so empty all the time (which turns off newcomers)
Mar 08 13:20:42 <~Prod>    for now, a StrategyWiki:IRC page should help
Mar 08 13:20:45 <+Skizzerz>    yes
Mar 08 13:20:58 <@Procyon>    I will certainly make an effort to be on more often.
Mar 08 13:21:01 <koweja>    depending on what client you're using, you can have it automatically log you in
Mar 08 13:21:01 <~Prod>    it shouldn't be just about sysops helping people, if we get enough people, they should be able to help each other
Mar 08 13:21:19 <~Prod>    however, sysops will need to start it off
Mar 08 13:21:34 <+Skizzerz>    indeed, which is how many other channels I go to (namely #wikia and #mediawiki on freenode) operate, with users helping other users
Mar 08 13:22:05 <thatguy>    ya know how loads of us have a my games page now, could we link to those in the IRC to see who can help with what games?
Mar 08 13:22:14 <~Prod>    So, for now, Skizzers will set up SW:IRC, and the rest of us will make an effor to get online more
Mar 08 13:22:21 <Duke>    once people start regularly signing on, more people will join
Mar 08 13:22:24 <@Procyon>    Agreed
Mar 08 13:22:26 <thatguy>    k
Mar 08 13:22:29 <+Skizzerz>    yes, and that's about all I have for that topic :)
Mar 08 13:22:37 <@Procyon>    Awesome, thanks Skizzerz.
Mar 08 13:22:47 <+Skizzerz>    so just a short summary to help those in reading the logs:
Mar 08 13:23:11 <@Procyon>    lol, I thought Prod just did that :)
Mar 08 13:23:37 <+Skizzerz>    ===Summary of Topic 1: A StrategyWiki:IRC page will be set up detailing users on how to connect to IRC, etc. || Sysops, etc. will try to be on slightly more often to kick-start the channel
Mar 08 13:23:46 <+Skizzerz>    Procyon: my way stands out more ;)
Mar 08 13:23:54 <@Procyon>    lol, true enough.
Mar 08 13:23:58 <@Procyon>    OK, Issue #2: DoubleJump: contract preview
Mar 08 13:24:17 <@Procyon>    So Tim Lindquist FINALLY emailed me a proposal contract for our Licensing Agreement.
Mar 08 13:24:23 <@Procyon>    It's very legaleese,
Mar 08 13:24:30 <@Procyon>    and fairly straightforward.
Mar 08 13:24:42 <@Procyon>    It includes penalty-free escape clauses for both sides,
Mar 08 13:25:10 <@Procyon>    Indemnity from financial loss occuring on either side,
Mar 08 13:25:22 <@Procyon>    and what Echelon and I found most interesting (and may be argued out),
Mar 08 13:25:39 <@Procyon>    was a first right of refusal on the sale of StrategyWiki
Mar 08 13:25:42 <@Procyon>    In other words,
Mar 08 13:25:50 <@Procyon>    as a part of entering into this partnership,
Mar 08 13:26:06 <@Procyon>    DoubleJump would have the first rights of refusal if Echelon were to ever put the site of for sale.
Mar 08 13:26:23 <@Procyon>    Obviously, they see a financial benefit to owning the site, should the rights ever go on sale.
Mar 08 13:26:42 <@Procyon>    Since that isn't really part of Echelon's long term plans, it's not really a concern,
Mar 08 13:26:48 <@Procyon>    but the good new is,
Mar 08 13:27:03 <@Procyon>    my attorney father is going to review the contract on behalf of StrategyWiki,
Mar 08 13:27:12 <@Procyon>    and let me know if he sees any reason for concerns.
Mar 08 13:27:24 <+Skizzerz>    awesome :) and thanks to your dad
Mar 08 13:27:38 <@Procyon>    In case any of you aren't aware,
Mar 08 13:27:50 <@Procyon>    DoubleJump is in the process of preparing their next StrategyGuide,
Mar 08 13:28:11 <@Procyon>    And they intend to include a full page SW print ad somewhere in the book.
Mar 08 13:28:23 <@Procyon>    As usual, it's going to be some NIS localized RPG,
Mar 08 13:28:32 <@Procyon>    So unfortunately, that means a rather niche audience,
Mar 08 13:28:45 <@Procyon>    but at least it's the type of audience that would enjoy visiting our site.
Mar 08 13:29:12 <@Procyon>    (I believe the game is for the PS2, so at least there should be a good user-base).
Mar 08 13:29:29 <@Procyon>    The next big concern with DoubleJump (after the contract is approved and signed by both parties)
Mar 08 13:29:33 <@Procyon>    is agreeing on the reskin.
Mar 08 13:29:45 <@Procyon>    DoubleJump wants their logo to be featured prominantly,
Mar 08 13:29:54 <@Procyon>    so that's going to take some ironing out between both sides.
Mar 08 13:30:13 <@Procyon>    But I've come to realize that since everything of this nature happens slowly,
Mar 08 13:30:19 <koweja>    did they define "prominatly"?
Mar 08 13:30:19 <@Procyon>    we won't be worrying about that for some time.
Mar 08 13:30:45 <@Procyon>    Not in so many words, although if I recall, Tim was hoping to position the DJ logo to the left of the SW logo.
Mar 08 13:30:57 <+Skizzerz>    I would assume "prominantly" as "being immediately visible on every page load without having to scroll"
Mar 08 13:31:07 <@Procyon>    That may or may not work well, and Teddy is in fact our lead on this matter.
Mar 08 13:31:14 <teddy>    ?
Mar 08 13:31:25 <@Procyon>    Well, in terms of the Blue Cloud skin.
Mar 08 13:31:43 <~Prod>    Would it also be on the Monobook skin?
Mar 08 13:31:50 <@Procyon>    Teddy, you will be in charge of the final approval.
Mar 08 13:31:55 <@Procyon>    On SW's behalf.
Mar 08 13:32:06 <@Procyon>    Prod, I would assume they would like that addressed as well.
Mar 08 13:32:10 <~Prod>    ok
Mar 08 13:32:36 <teddy>    mmkay
Mar 08 13:32:36 <@Procyon>    At this time, does anyone here have any concerns or reservations, or even questions about the deal with DoubleJump?
Mar 08 13:32:59 <~Prod>    is there a timeline?
Mar 08 13:33:03 <~Prod>    when will this be happening?
Mar 08 13:33:17 <@Procyon>    In a word: ASAP, but in a relative time scale, no clue.
Mar 08 13:33:22 <~Prod>    ok
Mar 08 13:33:26 <@Procyon>    As soon as possible could be one week, or one month.
Mar 08 13:33:36 *    Skizzerz steals a quote from MediaWiki development as to when releases are made: "whenever it gets done"
Mar 08 13:33:37 <@Procyon>    Right now, the ball is in our court, because they sent us the contract,
Mar 08 13:33:44 <Duke>    my only question is what if we get a better deal in the future from a different company?
Mar 08 13:33:46 <@Procyon>    but it's been in their court for over two months now.
Mar 08 13:33:56 <@Procyon>    Funny you should mention that.
Mar 08 13:34:11 <@Procyon>    We've been approached by neoseeker.  They wished to flat out aqcuire us.
Mar 08 13:34:26 <@Procyon>    Obviously we said no.
Mar 08 13:34:44 <@Procyon>    We were approach over last summer by IGN as well, but it was pretty much the same terms.
Mar 08 13:34:52 <~Prod>    and by Wikia
Mar 08 13:34:59 <teddy>    Can't we have a sort of collage of logos in the header that are all grayed out and when you hover over them, they are saturated?
Mar 08 13:35:03 <@Procyon>    Yes, we were invited to join Wikia.
Mar 08 13:35:11 <DrBob>    *be assimilated by
Mar 08 13:35:27 <Jack_Phoenix>    lol
Mar 08 13:35:43 <@Procyon>    Teddy: that's a great idea, if you like, I can put you in contact with Tim, but you'd have to feel comfortable enough to take a lead role in the communication.
Mar 08 13:36:09 <teddy>    Maybe
Mar 08 13:36:15 <@Procyon>    The only benefit to joining Wiki, is issues like storage space, our RAM defecit, and monthly fees would be taken care of,
Mar 08 13:36:18 <~Prod>    However, I don't think they'd be interested in "sharing"
Mar 08 13:36:21 <@Procyon>    but we'd lose all autonomy.
Mar 08 13:36:28 <@Procyon>    Wikia*
Mar 08 13:36:40 <@Procyon>    We are definitely generating interest.
Mar 08 13:36:43 <~Prod>    I don't think DJ would like having to share the header with multiple other companies
Mar 08 13:36:53 <+Skizzerz>    joining Wikia is out of the question. I know them too well to trust them with this :)
Mar 08 13:37:02 <Duke>    Prod:  that's why i brought up that question
Mar 08 13:37:06 <Jack_Phoenix>    Skizzerz, duh
Mar 08 13:37:14 <@Procyon>    Don't think for one second that we're just some anonymous wiki trying to get noticed.  People notice us.
Mar 08 13:37:36 <@Procyon>    Just the other day, an RMT site practically begged Echelon to let him advertise on SW.
Mar 08 13:38:20 <@Procyon>    I assumed they were mostly trying to target Maple Story players.
Mar 08 13:38:29 <@Procyon>    So.
Mar 08 13:38:42 <@Procyon>    Any other comments / concerns / questions?
Mar 08 13:38:58 <@Procyon>    Actually,
Mar 08 13:39:04 <teddy>    Prod: If we begin with just the DJ logo, and it doesnt help their business, then regardless of whether we put other logos up there, they will get rid of the affiliation. Likewise, if we DO help their business and put new logos beside it, they don't really have much say in that and wont be as inclined to destroy the partnership
Mar 08 13:39:12 <@Procyon>    I'm sorry, I didn't really answer Duke's question.
Mar 08 13:39:21 <@Procyon>    Duke: Both sides have an at-will escape clause.
Mar 08 13:39:39 <Duke>    ok, i see, thanks
Mar 08 13:39:41 <@Procyon>    Duke: If we are approached by something better, we can always back out of the DJ deal.
Mar 08 13:40:03 <teddy>    I don't see why we need to be exclusive.
Mar 08 13:40:23 <teddy>    Unless it's some mega sponsor. :P
Mar 08 13:40:25 <~Prod>    honour :)
Mar 08 13:40:33 <~Prod>    but we can discuss that if it ever gets to that later
Mar 08 13:40:39 <~Prod>    no need to worry about that now
Mar 08 13:40:54 <@Procyon>    The essence of the deal is that we are both working to help increase the awareness of each other brand.
Mar 08 13:41:01 <@Procyon>    In an ideal situation,
Mar 08 13:41:03 <teddy>    Business isn't really about honor. :P
Mar 08 13:41:16 <@Procyon>    Readers of DJ's print guides may learn about us,
Mar 08 13:41:23 <@Procyon>    and users of our site will learn about DJ.
Mar 08 13:41:29 <@Procyon>    From SW's perspective,
Mar 08 13:41:46 <@Procyon>    there is the added benefit of appearing more "legitimate" since we have a tie to an actual gaming company,
Mar 08 13:41:55 <@Procyon>    and it's one that allows us to maintain our autonomy.
Mar 08 13:42:12 <@Procyon>    Joining, say, IGN would certainly legitimize us, but at a much heavier cost.
Mar 08 13:42:37 <@Procyon>    So with that said, let's roll along, cuz we still have a bit more to cover.
Mar 08 13:42:50 <@Procyon>    This is probably going to be a big one:
Mar 08 13:43:00 <@Procyon>    Issue #3: FORAHMS!!!
Mar 08 13:43:14 <@Procyon>    They have finally arrived.
Mar 08 13:43:27 <@Procyon>    Echelon had his spring break over the past two weeks,
Mar 08 13:43:45 <@Procyon>    and he kept his word and devoted a good amount of time to linking abxy's forums to SW.
Mar 08 13:44:00 <@Procyon>    He has been working very hard to unify the login process between both SW and the forums.
Mar 08 13:44:16 <@Procyon>    The caveat is that it only works as long as you have the same exact login/password for both sites.
Mar 08 13:44:35 <@Procyon>    That may not be incredibly obvious, and it's probably something we will want to address publically.
Mar 08 13:45:05 <@Procyon>    But they are here never the less.  The question now becomes: how best to use them.
Mar 08 13:45:14 <teddy>    Are there refreshments after this meeting? :3
Mar 08 13:45:25 <@Procyon>    watered down orange juice for you.
Mar 08 13:45:43 <@Procyon>    I think much like Skizzerz point about the IRC,
Mar 08 13:45:48 <~Prod>    but you have to bring the water and oranges
Mar 08 13:46:06 <@Procyon>    sysops will have to take the lead in establishing a pattern of use for the forums.
Mar 08 13:46:28 <@Procyon>    I tacked on point #8 to the agenda last night, transitioning CI and SL to forums.
Mar 08 13:46:44 <@Procyon>    Much to my surprise, it looks like someone, most likely Echelon, has already done just that for CI.
Mar 08 13:47:00 <~Prod>    yea, it was done thursday night
Mar 08 13:47:39 <teddy>    what is CI/SL?
Mar 08 13:47:43 <@Procyon>    OK, so let it be known that from this point forward, all CI discussions are to take place in the forums.
Mar 08 13:47:50 <@Procyon>    Teddy: Community Issues, Staff Lounge.
Mar 08 13:47:53 <teddy>    oh
Mar 08 13:48:16 <koweja>    is SL to remain on the wiki?
Mar 08 13:48:21 <@Procyon>    Unresolved threads in CI can either take place on the original page, or be moved.
Mar 08 13:48:24 <@Procyon>    Well, that's the question.
Mar 08 13:48:27 <thatguy>    delete community issues after relinking to ABXY?
Mar 08 13:48:36 <~Prod>    So, here's the plan
Mar 08 13:48:41 <@Procyon>    Go ahead Prod
Mar 08 13:48:42 <~Prod>    CI will be moved to the forums
Mar 08 13:48:47 <~Prod>    anything that is left right now
Mar 08 13:48:50 <~Prod>    will continue to completion
Mar 08 13:48:56 <~Prod>    and go through our standard archival process
Mar 08 13:49:11 <~Prod>    It can be accessed by clicking the Community Portal link in the sidebar
Mar 08 13:49:13 <~Prod>    then discussions
Mar 08 13:49:22 <~Prod>    however, any new discussions should go directly on the forums
Mar 08 13:49:33 <~Prod>    essentially phasing out the CI in a month or two
Mar 08 13:49:37 <@Procyon>    (btw, is there a way to disable the "+" link when editing CI?)
Mar 08 13:49:54 <@Procyon>    you know, for new topics.
Mar 08 13:49:58 <~Prod>    we can do that
Mar 08 13:49:59 <teddy>    Does discussion=talk page?
Mar 08 13:50:05 <~Prod>    yes
Mar 08 13:50:13 <@Procyon>    teddy: in this case only.
Mar 08 13:50:21 <@Procyon>    CI = Community Portal talk
Mar 08 13:50:22 <~Prod>    (Procyon): i'll fix that now
Mar 08 13:50:37 <~Prod>    now, Staff lounge is the other one
Mar 08 13:50:46 <@Procyon>    As for Koweja's question, we can debate that here right now.
Mar 08 13:51:07 <~Prod>    I'm a bit towards keeping that here
Mar 08 13:51:15 <~Prod>    since it's for showing how to use wiki markup
Mar 08 13:51:22 <~Prod>    and what better way than doing it directly here
Mar 08 13:51:35 <@Procyon>    I was in favor of moving it, as is Echelon, but Prod just changed my mind.
Mar 08 13:51:43 <koweja>    it's seems to me that, ideally, SL topics should be discussed in IRC
Mar 08 13:51:58 <koweja>    though prod is right about the markup
Mar 08 13:52:01 <@Procyon>    I hadn't thought about the fact that we need demonstrate wiki-markup to people somewhere.
Mar 08 13:52:32 <@Procyon>    koweja: when you said IRC, did you mean forums?
Mar 08 13:52:35 <+Skizzerz>    we could write a set of tutorials as part of the Guide introducing it
Mar 08 13:52:39 <~Prod>    I'm going to rewrite the header for CI so that it shows that it's being deprecated
Mar 08 13:52:47 <koweja>    either/or
Mar 08 13:53:12 <~Prod>    I agree with koweja, and I'd suggest we add a SW:IRC link to the top of SL for "immediate" help
Mar 08 13:53:32 <+Skizzerz>    having both CI and SL in the abxy forums will make it 1) easier to search to see if your question has already been asked, and 2) help keep threads together
Mar 08 13:53:35 <@Procyon>    Koweja: I understand what you mean.  If the discussion can be carried out in real time on the IRC, then great.  However, since there's no record of IRC discussion, people with the same question won't benefit from it being asked previously.
Mar 08 13:54:01 <koweja>    good point
Mar 08 13:54:16 <thatguy>    maybe have logs.strategywiki.org where sysops place logs of questions asked?
Mar 08 13:54:30 <+Skizzerz>    that's a lot  of work for sysops
Mar 08 13:54:35 <thatguy>    yeh
Mar 08 13:54:39 <@Procyon>    Skizzerz: If we repurpose the SL (and by repurpose, I mean make it painfully obvious) for the sake of wiki markup questions _ONLY_, then the CI forum would take over everything else.
Mar 08 13:55:22 <@Procyon>    In that sense, perhaps SL should be renamed to something like "Help Desk" or something... (lame name, I know...)
Mar 08 13:55:23 <+Skizzerz>    hmm, true
Mar 08 13:55:25 <~Prod>    in that case, I'd suggest renaming CI
Mar 08 13:55:42 <~Prod>    CI so far has been for site-wide changes
Mar 08 13:55:52 <~Prod>    SL for people to ask the "staff" for help
Mar 08 13:55:55 <+Skizzerz>    that is always possible. Admins can rename forums
Mar 08 13:56:02 <+Skizzerz>    (and add new ones)
Mar 08 13:56:20 <@Procyon>    Then I propose the following:
Mar 08 13:56:24 <koweja>    i would support renaming SL to something more user-welcoming
Mar 08 13:56:36 <koweja>    as it is, it sounds like it's a place for admins
Mar 08 13:56:44 <@Procyon>    Let's hold a discussion on the forums to determine a good new name for both locations.
Mar 08 13:56:49 <~Prod>    lol
Mar 08 13:57:07 <@Procyon>    Holding the discussion here and now in real time won't necessarily be a good use of time,
Mar 08 13:57:15 <@Procyon>    although I think it's something that needs to be discussed.
Mar 08 13:57:29 <@Procyon>    Does anyone disagree?
Mar 08 13:57:52 <@Procyon>    Cool.
Mar 08 13:57:54 <~Prod>    so
Mar 08 13:58:07 <~Prod>    we're keeping SL on wiki (renamed) and CI goes to Forums
Mar 08 13:58:11 <~Prod>    correct?
Mar 08 13:58:15 <+Skizzerz>    looks like it
Mar 08 13:58:18 <~Prod>    ok
Mar 08 13:58:20 <@Procyon>    We'll get a topic started on the forums and people can post and discuss their suggestions.
Mar 08 13:58:29 <@Procyon>    This will also help aclimate us all to using the forums.
Mar 08 13:58:43 <~Prod>    and force everyone to get their accounts sorted out
Mar 08 13:58:48 <+Skizzerz>    :)
Mar 08 13:58:51 <@Procyon>    We'll dovetail right from this into the next topic: Rearrange Main Page and SW:CP to improve visibility
Mar 08 13:59:05 <@Procyon>    (since it goes hand in hand with rearrangment)
Mar 08 13:59:07 <+Skizzerz>    Main Page has already been rearranged (kinda)
Mar 08 13:59:15 <@Procyon>    Yeah, it's a little... busy.
Mar 08 13:59:25 <@Procyon>    I think Ech's change was more of a stop gap.
Mar 08 13:59:25 <~Prod>    (Skizzerz): the question is whether to keep it that way
Mar 08 13:59:39 <@Procyon>    Who would like to address this issue?
Mar 08 13:59:49 <koweja>    the immediate problem that i see is that there is a lot of white space at the very top
Mar 08 14:00:01 <+Skizzerz>    I agree with Procyon in that it is quite busy, but I don't know how to tackle that issue while not reducing its usefulness
Mar 08 14:00:06 <@Procyon>    Unfortunately, that partially depends on your browser width
Mar 08 14:00:28 <@Procyon>    I wish there was an easy way to make it like iGoogle
Mar 08 14:00:33 <@Procyon>    Customizable...
Mar 08 14:00:51 *    Prod stops that train before it gets derailed >_>
Mar 08 14:00:59 <@Procyon>    lol
Mar 08 14:01:02 <@Procyon>    sorry :)
Mar 08 14:01:04 <@Procyon>    go on
Mar 08 14:01:27 <~Prod>    But yes, we need to figure out what we're going to keep o n the front page, what will be on SW:CP
Mar 08 14:01:42 <~Prod>    Echelon made the changes since he wanted to reduce the number of links in the Sidebar
Mar 08 14:01:52 <~Prod>    it's getting relatively long now
Mar 08 14:02:02 <@Procyon>    Which I agree was a good idea
Mar 08 14:02:07 <~Prod>    defniately
Mar 08 14:02:15 <+Skizzerz>    we could consider sectioning the sidebar
Mar 08 14:02:45 <~Prod>    (Skizzerz): that'll require some reskinning I think, not too sure how well the current skin will handle that (looks at teddy)
Mar 08 14:03:10 <~Prod>    This is kinda getting into our next topic as well
Mar 08 14:03:13 <~Prod>    the Sidebar
Mar 08 14:03:17 <~Prod>    so what we need to decide
Mar 08 14:03:27 <~Prod>    is what to keep on the front page, wheter to keep SW:CP in general
Mar 08 14:03:27 <@Procyon>    Might as well proceed with that discussion
Mar 08 14:03:31 <~Prod>    what it's purpose will be
Mar 08 14:03:40 <~Prod>    and how much to keep in the sidebar
Mar 08 14:03:48 <@Procyon>    Let me ask this question:
Mar 08 14:04:07 <@Procyon>    In anyone's experience, are their sites that do a better job with the front page/sidebar than we do currently?
Mar 08 14:04:31 <@Procyon>    Cuz we all seem to agree that something needs to change, but we're unsure how.
Mar 08 14:04:54 <+Skizzerz>    all the wikis that relate to gamings have even bigger main pages
Mar 08 14:05:07 <+Skizzerz>    *all the wikis that I've seen that relate to games
Mar 08 14:05:35 <@Procyon>    I remember that our goal at one point was to attempt a greater similarity to GF's front page.
Mar 08 14:05:51 <+Skizzerz>    GameFail, well... fails
Mar 08 14:05:59 <@Procyon>    For the sake of user familiarity
Mar 08 14:06:25 <~Prod>    they devote too much to advertisement :P
Mar 08 14:06:26 <koweja>    failure or not, looking too much like our direct, more well known, competition is a bad idea
Mar 08 14:06:26 <+Skizzerz>    I thought we were trying to distance ourself from GF so that users can see that we're "better" than the rest
Mar 08 14:06:44 <@Procyon>    No, I agree with that,
Mar 08 14:06:49 <@Procyon>    but one of the ways you do that,
Mar 08 14:07:00 <@Procyon>    is by starting with what they have, and then improving upon it.
Mar 08 14:07:08 <@Procyon>    Or I should say, one of the ways that you CAN do that.
Mar 08 14:07:25 <@Procyon>    It's not the approach we HAVE to take, but let's face it...
Mar 08 14:07:31 <@Procyon>    the icons at the top of the front page?
Mar 08 14:07:34 <@Procyon>    Not exactly original.
Mar 08 14:07:47 <@Procyon>    Excellent idea, and well executed, but not original.
Mar 08 14:07:52 <~Prod>    about the only thing they do that we don't, is publicize their top 10 game lists
Mar 08 14:08:30 <+Skizzerz>    because that would require a) manual revamping or b) dpl, a being time-consuming and b being server-consuming, especially on a high-impact page like Main Page
Mar 08 14:08:31 <@Procyon>    ...
Mar 08 14:09:02 <~Prod>    DPL on the front page is a no-go
Mar 08 14:09:08 <@Procyon>    agreed
Mar 08 14:09:09 <+Skizzerz>    (which is what I just said)
Mar 08 14:09:12 <@Procyon>    unfortunately
Mar 08 14:09:20 <~Prod>    too much server usage happened when we tried that last time
Mar 08 14:09:40 <@Procyon>    Well, I think we're all in agreement that we want to change things, but with no solid ideas on what to change.
Mar 08 14:09:42 <~Prod>    We really need to pick exactly what to keep there and what to get rid of
Mar 08 14:09:56 <~Prod>    and do we want to keep SW:CP on the sidebar?
Mar 08 14:10:22 <~Prod>    actually, do we even want to keep staff lounge
Mar 08 14:10:26 <~Prod>    if people want help, the click "Help"
Mar 08 14:10:37 <@Procyon>    That might be a good idea.
Mar 08 14:10:45 <koweja>    help is for the manual,not asking questions though
Mar 08 14:10:57 <~Prod>    we can add a "getting further help" link
Mar 08 14:11:03 <@Procyon>    (I think "Help Desk" gives it a less immediate, less real-tim feeling though)
Mar 08 14:11:06 <koweja>    i suppose we could link to the SL from the first help page
Mar 08 14:11:17 <@Procyon>    Oooooooooh
Mar 08 14:11:30 <~Prod>    exactly
Mar 08 14:11:35 <@Procyon>    So we could have a Help page, that points people to our Guide, to the renamed SL, and to the IRC.
Mar 08 14:11:49 <@Procyon>    That's actually a great idea.
Mar 08 14:11:54 <Duke>    agreed
Mar 08 14:11:58 <@Procyon>    It doesn't even need to be a lot, just a small portal.
Mar 08 14:12:02 <koweja>    maybe we could trim down the MPGOTM, CotM, and WYCH sections on the main page and expand them in CP
Mar 08 14:12:21 <koweja>    that'll clean up the main page and give the CP more of a purpose
Mar 08 14:12:43 <Duke>    CP doesn't need announcements
Mar 08 14:12:56 <~Prod>    or we can just include it prominently on the front SW:GUIDE main page
Mar 08 14:13:14 <~Prod>    oh, so you want to move SW:CP to SW:HELP?
Mar 08 14:13:46 <koweja>     speaking of annoucements, maybe we should have a time limit on how long they appear on the main page
Mar 08 14:13:59 <koweja>    they're both almost two months old
Mar 08 14:14:01 <~Prod>    we just keep them until new ones
Mar 08 14:14:04 <~Prod>    replace them
Mar 08 14:14:11 <+Skizzerz>    koweja: the most recent two announcements are always shown
Mar 08 14:14:12 <~Prod>    We'll be adding a bunch more later today
Mar 08 14:14:22 <+Skizzerz>    two+
Mar 08 14:14:22 <thatguy>    announce the meetings?
Mar 08 14:14:39 <~Prod>    Meetings are standard
Mar 08 14:14:45 <~Prod>    it'll essentially be for anything new
Mar 08 14:14:58 <@Procyon>    Actually, announcing the meeting might have been a good idea.
Mar 08 14:15:03 <@Procyon>    perhaps...
Mar 08 14:15:07 <~Prod>    new sysops *cough*, new calendar
Mar 08 14:15:08 <~Prod>    new group
Mar 08 14:15:09 <~Prod>    things like that
Mar 08 14:15:16 <@Procyon>    Oh yeah!
Mar 08 14:15:25 <@Procyon>    We need to promote Koweja and Bmuig :)
Mar 08 14:15:31 <Duke>    the more announcements we have, the more it looks like we're actually updating and doing well as a website
Mar 08 14:15:36 <koweja>    i agree >_>
Mar 08 14:15:40 <~Prod>    we will wait 1 week from original nimination day, then close it off
Mar 08 14:16:17 <koweja>    what duke said relates to my issue with the old annoucements - if the "latest" news is old it gives the impression that the site isn't being maintained
Mar 08 14:16:18 <~Prod>    But yes
Mar 08 14:16:29 <koweja>    better to have no annoucements than old ones
Mar 08 14:16:36 <~Prod>    (koweja): we hope to have more announcements more often in the future
Mar 08 14:16:43 <koweja>    fair enough
Mar 08 14:16:49 <~Prod>    we need to keep our main page "vibrant and changing
Mar 08 14:16:50 <~Prod>    "
Mar 08 14:16:52 <~Prod>    just like our wiki :D
Mar 08 14:17:27 <+Skizzerz>    we also need a better method of rotating the featured guide
Mar 08 14:17:40 <@Procyon>    What exactly is the current method?
Mar 08 14:17:56 <~Prod>    I was hoping we could take that to 1 per month or something
Mar 08 14:17:57 <@Procyon>    I tried to figure it out, but I couldn't find the driving mechanism.
Mar 08 14:18:04 <~Prod>    it rotates every day
Mar 08 14:18:09 <+Skizzerz>    no, it doesn't
Mar 08 14:18:10 <@Procyon>    Ah
Mar 08 14:18:12 <@Procyon>    oh
Mar 08 14:18:15 <~Prod>    depending on when mediawiki decides to purge the main page cache
Mar 08 14:18:23 <+Skizzerz>    it rotates at random based off of the modulus of {{CURRENTTIME}}
Mar 08 14:18:23 <@Procyon>    oooh
Mar 08 14:18:30 <~Prod>    oh?
Mar 08 14:18:32 <+Skizzerz>    and that too :)
Mar 08 14:18:40 <@Procyon>    :o
Mar 08 14:18:55 <~Prod>    I would say reduce that to daily, no point of more often :P
Mar 08 14:19:05 <@Procyon>    If it doesn't cost us anything,
Mar 08 14:19:13 <+Skizzerz>    it still requires the cache to be cleared before it even calculates a new one
Mar 08 14:19:15 <@Procyon>    then the more rapidly it changes, the better.
Mar 08 14:19:17 <~Prod>    yea
Mar 08 14:19:39 <~Prod>    well
Mar 08 14:19:40 <+Skizzerz>    although a way to circumvent that (aka keep caching but rotate randomly), would be a PHP script/extension
Mar 08 14:19:55 <~Prod>    we wouldn't want it to change too fast
Mar 08 14:20:05 <~Prod>    it's the main page, people expect it to stay somewhat consistent
Mar 08 14:20:07 <+Skizzerz>    change every other hour perhaps
Mar 08 14:20:14 <~Prod>    changing every day should be good enough
Mar 08 14:20:32 <+Skizzerz>    until we get more featured guides, that is
Mar 08 14:20:37 <@Procyon>    Prod, I like the idea of people seeing different features if they visit the main page twice in one day.
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Mar 08 14:20:48 <@Procyon>    Once they know a guide is featured, they know it's featured.
Mar 08 14:21:02 <@Procyon>    The more guides they find out about, the more impressive it looks.
Mar 08 14:21:05 <@Procyon>    IMHO
Mar 08 14:21:06 <~Prod>    yes, but they may want to visit the guide later and return to t he main page and see something else
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Mar 08 14:21:17 <koweja>    if you used the PHP extension, would it be possibel to have it randomly pick one every time it serves the page, or would that be too much of a server hit?
Mar 08 14:21:32 <@Procyon>    True, but isn't there a link to all of the featured guides in that box?
Mar 08 14:22:01 <koweja>    if they see that a guide is featured, they can always just search for it or find it in one of our many indexes
Mar 08 14:22:02 <~Prod>    the main page shouldn't be changed too much
Mar 08 14:22:10 <~Prod>    it's heavily cached by design
Mar 08 14:22:22 <@Procyon>    OK, then I guess I agree with Prod's once-a-day idea.
Mar 08 14:22:26 <~Prod>    if they want to see what all is featured, they can click the links
Mar 08 14:22:26 <+Skizzerz>    Procyon: there isn't a link, although there should be
Mar 08 14:22:51 <~Prod>    hmm
Mar 08 14:22:57 <@Procyon>    Oh yeah, the link is to the requests page.
Mar 08 14:23:02 <thatguy>    just link the title?
Mar 08 14:23:02 <~Prod>    we need a link to [[Category:CS5]] in that section
Mar 08 14:23:09 <@Procyon>    Right, agreed.
Mar 08 14:23:12 <~Prod>    title links aren't preferred
Mar 08 14:23:29 <@Procyon>    [[Click here]] for more featured guides, or something.
Mar 08 14:23:30 <~Prod>    just add another sentence to that "vote on future" stuff
Mar 08 14:23:36 <~Prod>    yea
Mar 08 14:23:42 <koweja>    You can vote on future [[Category:CS5|featured guides]] at the
Mar 08 14:23:54 <@Procyon>    Skiz, do you mind taking care of that?
Mar 08 14:24:00 <thatguy>    that's not very imposing
Mar 08 14:24:02 <koweja>    "Click here" is considered bad form for web design
Mar 08 14:24:03 <~Prod>    Ok...so what are we keeping on the front page?
Mar 08 14:24:10 <~Prod>    (koweja): I agree
Mar 08 14:24:14 <~Prod>    we can figure out details later though
Mar 08 14:24:16 <+Skizzerz>    I suppose I could do something
Mar 08 14:24:18 <@Procyon>    lol, I wasn't married to it.
Mar 08 14:25:00 <~Prod>    Main Page and CP? what are we doing with them? (our original topic :P)
Mar 08 14:25:22 <+Skizzerz>    make a thread on the forums and let the community decide?
Mar 08 14:25:26 <@Procyon>    I think perhaps we may need to take this offline.
Mar 08 14:25:30 <@Procyon>    Just was I was about to suggest.
Mar 08 14:25:34 <@Procyon>    It's tricky.
Mar 08 14:25:47 <@Procyon>    None of us are really professional web designers per-say.
Mar 08 14:25:51 <~Prod>    this can be our closing off discussion on CI!!!!
Mar 08 14:25:56 <@Procyon>    I think we're too attached to some things.
Mar 08 14:26:33 <koweja>    probably
Mar 08 14:26:59 <koweja>    it's also really hard for us to see things from the perspective of causal/new editors since we spend so much time here
Mar 08 14:27:07 <~Prod>    well
Mar 08 14:27:08 <koweja>    and know the inner workings of the site so well
Mar 08 14:27:13 <@Procyon>    Prod, it's probably best if we start a new thread for this on the forums as well.
Mar 08 14:27:13 <~Prod>    what's important on the front page?
Mar 08 14:27:26 <~Prod>    Announcements for sure, what makes us diff, featured
Mar 08 14:27:41 <@Procyon>    Based on what's there, I think it's easier to ask what's not important.
Mar 08 14:27:45 <@Procyon>    but the thing is,
Mar 08 14:27:51 <~Prod>    everything is important :P
Mar 08 14:27:55 <@Procyon>    we think it's all important or it wouldn't be there.
Mar 08 14:27:57 <@Procyon>    yeah
Mar 08 14:28:04 <@Procyon>    Actually,
Mar 08 14:28:15 <koweja>    i think it would be best to think about merging content rather than removing it completely
Mar 08 14:28:17 <@Procyon>    to be honest, I think the What Makes Us Different might be able to be retired.
Mar 08 14:28:22 <~Prod>    I agree :P
Mar 08 14:28:25 <Duke>    well, some of it can be moved to the CP though, and then just make the CP more noticeable and important
Mar 08 14:28:35 <@Procyon>    Prod: with who, me or Koweja?
Mar 08 14:28:36 <koweja>    for instead CotM and MPG could be combined
Mar 08 14:28:45 <~Prod>    both :P
Mar 08 14:28:47 <@Procyon>    ok
Mar 08 14:28:54 <~Prod>    actually
Mar 08 14:29:00 <koweja>    i would disagree with removing What Makes
Mar 08 14:29:01 <~Prod>    that leads in to the next point as well
Mar 08 14:29:05 <koweja>    seems kind of critical
Mar 08 14:29:12 <~Prod>    6. Possible revamp of how Promising Guide and CotM work nomination/promotion-wise
Mar 08 14:29:12 <koweja>    or i'll shut up and we can move on
Mar 08 14:29:20 <@Procyon>    Here's one suggestion:
Mar 08 14:29:32 <~Prod>    I ordered the discussions in this way because I knew they were linked :P
Mar 08 14:30:09 <@Procyon>    if it were possible to move the featured guide into the right border (which I know wouldn't work for monobook), and ditched "What Makes Us Different",
Mar 08 14:30:23 <@Procyon>    Then we could put a prominant link to the Community Portal right on the front page,
Mar 08 14:30:37 <@Procyon>    Move Current and Most Promising to CP,
Mar 08 14:30:47 <@Procyon>    and leave Announcements and "Ways you can help"
Mar 08 14:31:14 <@Procyon>    :/
Mar 08 14:31:16 <~Prod>    Ways you can help, should replace "different" as well
Mar 08 14:31:27 <@Procyon>    It seemed like a better idea when I was looking at the page...
Mar 08 14:31:43 <~Prod>    I was also thinking about what koweja said, we might be able to merge PGOM and COTM together
Mar 08 14:31:46 <@Procyon>    OK, I got it.
Mar 08 14:32:00 <@Procyon>    Why does PGOM and COTM have to be so... wordy?
Mar 08 14:32:12 <~Prod>    usually there are images
Mar 08 14:32:13 <@Procyon>    Why can't it be: The Promising Guide of the Month is...
Mar 08 14:32:17 <@Procyon>    and then the box art.
Mar 08 14:32:19 <@Procyon>    period.
Mar 08 14:32:21 <koweja>    perhaps we could create a [[StrategyWiki:About]] page, which could be an expansion of What Makes
Mar 08 14:32:29 <~Prod>    it's just that this time people picked non-games (categories)
Mar 08 14:32:34 <~Prod>    (koweja): we have that already
Mar 08 14:32:43 <~Prod>    oh
Mar 08 14:32:44 <koweja>    ah
Mar 08 14:32:49 <~Prod>    and WoP doesn't have a boxart :P
Mar 08 14:33:19 <@Procyon>    Well, box art or logo
Mar 08 14:33:40 <Duke>    i say we definitely need featured, announce, adn wych on the front page, that leaves us with one block of space that we should fill...  how about "getting in touch" (links to forums, CP, IRC, etc.)
Mar 08 14:33:50 <+Skizzerz>    koweja: already at [[StrategyWiki:Guide/About]]
Mar 08 14:34:10 *    Prod agrees with duke
Mar 08 14:34:17 <+Skizzerz>    (although the what makes part isn't there)
Mar 08 14:34:22 <koweja>    do we want to have instructions on voting for FGs, CotM, and MPG on the main page?
Mar 08 14:34:34 <~Prod>    yes to Featured
Mar 08 14:34:44 <~Prod>    C/Potm could be moved to CP only
Mar 08 14:34:51 <Duke>    what makes us different is on the about page, so we can just link to that at the top fo the main page
Mar 08 14:34:59 <~Prod>    and we add a box about the CP to the front page
Mar 08 14:35:11 <@Procyon>    Can I propose that we remove Staff Lounge from the left, redirect "Help" to StrategyWiki:Help and have that page point to Staff Lounge and the guide?  (And the IRC)
Mar 08 14:35:19 <koweja>    well, we could move the What to :About, pretty up :About, and make the link more visable
Mar 08 14:35:36 *    Prod agrees with Procyon and koweja
Mar 08 14:35:41 <Duke>    i second that motion, procyon
Mar 08 14:35:42 *    Skizzerz agrees too
Mar 08 14:35:46 <@Procyon>    OK, cool.
Mar 08 14:35:55 <@Procyon>    That's really going to help reorganize things.
Mar 08 14:35:56 <koweja>    i agree with procyon
Mar 08 14:35:57 <~Prod>    so, what about merging CotM and PotM?
Mar 08 14:36:19 <@Procyon>    In the same vein, if we really want people to start using the forums, we should remove CI from the left as well.
Mar 08 14:36:22 <koweja>    i think if we trim the text we can easily fit both into one block
Mar 08 14:36:22 <+Skizzerz>    It'd be easier to maintain :)
Mar 08 14:36:51 <~Prod>    CI links to t he forums
Mar 08 14:36:55 <@Procyon>    Right
Mar 08 14:37:01 <@Procyon>    So why do we need two links to the forums?
Mar 08 14:37:19 <~Prod>    and CI shouldn't be much of a focus anymore
Mar 08 14:37:21 <+Skizzerz>    yeah, we could remove CI without really losing anything
Mar 08 14:37:24 <~Prod>    we've ironed out most "issues"
Mar 08 14:37:25 <@Procyon>    Why don't we just rename the link "Community Forums"?
Mar 08 14:37:33 <~Prod>    forums is clear enough :P
Mar 08 14:37:37 <+Skizzerz>    indeed :)
Mar 08 14:37:37 <@Procyon>    OK ^_^
Mar 08 14:37:47 <@Procyon>    Cool, I like this.
Mar 08 14:37:56 <koweja>    calling it "forums" makes it sound too general purpose, and isn't it just for help on the guides?
Mar 08 14:38:10 <~Prod>    nope, it's for everything
Mar 08 14:38:16 <~Prod>    they're all purpose forums
Mar 08 14:38:33 <koweja>    ah, okay, i thought forums went to the same place as CI
Mar 08 14:38:38 <koweja>    now i see
Mar 08 14:40:16 <@Procyon>    OK, Skiz, I'll take care of the sidebar and the Help page.
Mar 08 14:40:23 <+Skizzerz>    cool
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Mar 08 14:40:56 <@Procyon>    We're nearing two hours now, and I think we're starting to wind down.
Mar 08 14:41:11 <@Procyon>    There's really only one issue that remains to be discussed.
Mar 08 14:41:30 <@Procyon>    Prod, would you like to lead the discussion about Discuss the Calendar and Mailing list
Mar 08 14:42:16 <koweja>    prod disappeared
Mar 08 14:42:28 <koweja>    said he had to go deal with lunch
Mar 08 14:43:01 <~Prod>    i'm back
Mar 08 14:43:08 <~Prod>    So, to further the coordination of stuff
Mar 08 14:43:23 <~Prod>    we've introduced a new mailing list and a calendar for events
Mar 08 14:43:35 <~Prod>    the ccalendar can be found at SW:CALENDAR
Mar 08 14:43:48 <~Prod>    the mailing list will be promoted a bit more soon enough
Mar 08 14:43:56 <~Prod>    anyone can subscribe
Mar 08 14:44:06 <~Prod>    however, we still need to iron out it's "purpose"
Mar 08 14:44:16 <~Prod>    It was started because we "could" :P
Mar 08 14:44:31 <@Procyon>    hehe, not a bad reason.
Mar 08 14:44:44 <~Prod>    the calendar
Mar 08 14:44:45 <koweja>    random idea: how about an RSS feed instead of an emailed list
Mar 08 14:45:00 <@Procyon>    Sad but true: I've never used an RSS feed :P
Mar 08 14:45:09 <~Prod>    http://groups.google.com/group/strategywiki
Mar 08 14:45:21 <~Prod>    it has an xml feed
Mar 08 14:45:23 <~Prod>    if you want
Mar 08 14:45:31 <~Prod>    you can set it up any way you want
Mar 08 14:46:00 <~Prod>    so the question is, what do you guys want it to be "for"?
Mar 08 14:46:34 <koweja>    newly featured guides, new collaboration, etc
Mar 08 14:46:48 <koweja>    would help promote CotM/MPG
Mar 08 14:46:54 <~Prod>    so announcement type stuff?
Mar 08 14:47:02 <koweja>    pretty much
Mar 08 14:47:13 <koweja>    can't really see what else to use it for
Mar 08 14:47:24 <~Prod>    anyone is allowed to post to it (after joining the group)
Mar 08 14:47:39 <@Procyon>    umm...
Mar 08 14:47:40 <koweja>    i suppose we could do a semi-regular "helpful tips" mailing, but that would be a lot of work
Mar 08 14:47:51 <@Procyon>    I dunno if that would be too helpful for us here.
Mar 08 14:47:54 <@Procyon>    See, the question is,
Mar 08 14:48:02 <@Procyon>    who will the primary user of this list be?
Mar 08 14:48:07 <koweja>    true
Mar 08 14:48:07 <@Procyon>    If it's mainly for everyone in this channel,
Mar 08 14:48:18 <@Procyon>    and most of us already cruise the RC list fairly regularly,
Mar 08 14:48:28 <~Prod>    well, I'm thinking of adding a link to it in the sidebar
Mar 08 14:48:32 <koweja>    i have a feeling that in the beginning it's going to just be us regulars
Mar 08 14:48:33 <@Procyon>    then adding information about CoTM/MPG will be a little redundant.
Mar 08 14:48:41 <~Prod>    like a proper "join this mailing list" link
Mar 08 14:48:54 <koweja>    we'll need content specific for new and casual editors if we're going to entice them
Mar 08 14:49:09 <@Procyon>    Prod: I would be skeptical of doing that only for the fact that we want to encourage people to use the forums/IRC.
Mar 08 14:49:23 <+Skizzerz>    as for the mailing list, how about using a proper mailing list program like mailman instead of google groups?
Mar 08 14:49:25 <@Procyon>    If every ordinary user used the mailing list, they may not bother to check out the other things.
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Mar 08 14:49:41 <@Procyon>    I think the mailing list is an execellent idea for the staff.
Mar 08 14:49:46 <~Prod>    (Skizzerz): it supports much more than mailing list though
Mar 08 14:49:56 <+Skizzerz>    true, but mailman is more feature-rich
Mar 08 14:49:57 <~Prod>    many of which are redundant to sw and forums
Mar 08 14:50:14 <~Prod>    but it's more visible since it's from google :P
Mar 08 14:50:15 <@Procyon>    I think it should be (for now) restricted to StrategyWiki:Administrator
Mar 08 14:50:35 <~Prod>    posting will be SW:ADMIN only, but subscribing will be open to everyone
Mar 08 14:50:54 <~Prod>    to keep our "open to everyone" mentaility
Mar 08 14:50:57 <koweja>    that would make the most sense
Mar 08 14:51:18 <~Prod>    now the calendar on the other hand
Mar 08 14:51:23 <koweja>    otherwise i think spambots would become a big issue
Mar 08 14:51:23 <~Prod>    has far more obvious uses
Mar 08 14:51:42 <~Prod>    it will be used to announce all meetings
Mar 08 14:52:00 <~Prod>    and as we approach each meeting
Mar 08 14:52:05 <~Prod>    we will fill it in with agenda and what not
Mar 08 14:52:18 <~Prod>    suggestions for new events can be added to the talkk page
Mar 08 14:52:32 <~Prod>    and a summary of the results will be posted in the comments for each meeting after
Mar 08 14:52:59 <~Prod>    again, anyone can subscribe, and it's seearchable from google
Mar 08 14:53:20 <~Prod>    and again, only admins can edit
Mar 08 14:54:24 <~Prod>    any other questions relating to the two?
Mar 08 14:54:38 <@Procyon>    I'm pretty set.
Mar 08 14:54:49 <@Procyon>    I think that it will evolve on it's own in a natural course.
Mar 08 14:55:16 <+Skizzerz>    yep, so that's pretty much it then
Mar 08 14:55:38 <+Skizzerz>    I'll put up a log of the meeting somewhere
Mar 08 14:55:55 <~Prod>    and I'm writing up the summary on the comments of the calendar entry
Mar 08 14:55:56 <@Procyon>    Awesome.
Mar 08 14:55:57 <+Skizzerz>    (I'm considering moving them off googlepages for greater flexibility)
Mar 08 14:56:05 <~Prod>    put them in the group :P
Mar 08 14:56:07 <@Procyon>    We have four action items.
Mar 08 14:56:21 <+Skizzerz>    that would work, but you have to approve my application :P
Mar 08 14:56:33 <@Procyon>    1) Modify the sidebar (and add an announcement to that effect): Procyon
Mar 08 14:56:39 <@Procyon>    (five action items)
Mar 08 14:56:43 <~Prod>    (Skizzerz): done
Mar 08 14:56:53 <@Procyon>    2) Create [[Strategy:IRC]]: Skiz
Mar 08 14:57:13 <@Procyon>    3) Merge CotM/PGM: Who?
Mar 08 14:57:23 <~Prod>    i'll take that
Mar 08 14:57:27 <@Procyon>    great
Mar 08 14:58:12 <@Procyon>    Actually, strike #4... which was what to rename CI and SL.
Mar 08 14:58:15 <@Procyon>    I think we've done it.
Mar 08 14:58:20 <@Procyon>    So #5 is
Mar 08 14:58:43 <@Procyon>    Conduct the conversation about how we would like to redesign the front page on the new CI forums.
Mar 08 14:58:50 <@Procyon>    Which is everyone.
Mar 08 14:59:14 <@Procyon>    How does this sound to everybody?
Mar 08 14:59:17 <~Prod>    6) Update annoucements for everything
Mar 08 14:59:37 <~Prod>    calendar, IRC, forums, etc
Mar 08 14:59:54 <~Prod>    sidebar, groups
Mar 08 14:59:55 <@Procyon>    OK, included in #1, I was going to add an announcement to the front page.
Mar 08 15:00:05 <+Skizzerz>    is that it then, because I really must be off very soon
Mar 08 15:00:07 <@Procyon>    What were you considering?
Mar 08 15:00:15 <@Procyon>    Skiz: I think we're very much on our way to concluding.
Mar 08 15:00:20 <+Skizzerz>    yay
Mar 08 15:00:20 <~Prod>    6) Prod + Procyon
Mar 08 15:00:53 <@Procyon>    Prod: you've for the calendar, I've for the sidebar and the front page, Skiz has the IRC.
Mar 08 15:01:10 <~Prod>    we'll discuss the annoucement, it should just be one big one i think
Mar 08 15:01:19 <@Procyon>    And you've got the groups
Mar 08 15:01:43 <@Procyon>    So I think we're all set.
Mar 08 15:01:51 <+Skizzerz>    cool
Mar 08 15:01:52 <@Procyon>    Unless anyone else has any urgent business, we are concluded.
Mar 08 15:02:08 <@Procyon>    Alright, thank you VERY MUCH everybody,
Mar 08 15:02:17 <@Procyon>    this was probably our most productive meeting yet.
Mar 08 15:02:28 <~Prod>    and we managed to stay close to our time limit :)
Mar 08 15:02:28 <@Procyon>    We'll meet back in approx. 1 month.
Mar 08 15:02:31 <@Procyon>    Yes :)