Apr 05 13:03:01 <~Prod>    <!-----Meeting begins here---->
Apr 05 13:03:13 <Charitwo>    [citation needed]
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Apr 05 13:04:19 *    Procyon goes and gets the agenda
Apr 05 13:05:50 <Procyon>    OK, thank you everyone for coming.
Apr 05 13:05:55 <Procyon>    This is a really good turn out.
Apr 05 13:06:09 <Procyon>    We'll dive right in and get started immediately.
Apr 05 13:06:27 <Procyon>    First up, we just want to officially recognize and congratulate the new sysops.
Apr 05 13:06:42 <Procyon>    This is Bmuig's first staff meeting as a sysop, so congratulations to you.
Apr 05 13:06:54 <Bmuig>    thx :)
Apr 05 13:06:57 <Procyon>    Koweja also became a sysop, but he is unfortunately not here.
Apr 05 13:07:28 <Procyon>    We're still in need of more sysops who can help patrol edits.
Apr 05 13:07:43 <Procyon>    As we grow, so do the number of edits that we need to patrol.
Apr 05 13:07:57 <Procyon>    Skizzerz brought up an interesting debate about a patrol tool on the forum.
Apr 05 13:08:02 <Charitwo>    do i qualify? :P
Apr 05 13:08:26 <Procyon>    Although I gathered that the concensus on that was that it was a little premature to implement, it's something we may want to consider in the future.
Apr 05 13:08:31 <+Skizzerz>    Charitwo: http://strategywiki.org/wiki/SW:RFA
Apr 05 13:08:38 <Procyon>    Charitwo: I think we would love to consider you, but we haven't seen you around in a wahile.
Apr 05 13:08:59 <Procyon>    I remember asking Prod if he'd seen you lately, and we both couldn't remember the last time.
Apr 05 13:09:08 <Procyon>    But we'd certainly welcome your help.
Apr 05 13:09:31 <Procyon>    I think that RobJ fellow may be on his way to getting the next nomination.
Apr 05 13:09:48 <Procyon>    Aside from a few issues that DrBob has had to correct, he's been pretty thorough.
Apr 05 13:10:14 <Procyon>    If any of you feel that someone is deserving of a nod, please add a recommendation at the link that Skizzers just posted.
Apr 05 13:10:46 <Procyon>    Moving on (if anyone feels I left something out at any time, please jump in)
Apr 05 13:11:05 <Procyon>    Skizzerz, would you like to give an update on the status of our IRC channel?
Apr 05 13:11:12 <+Skizzerz>    uh, sure...
Apr 05 13:11:15 <Procyon>    Or anything you'd like to discuss about it...
Apr 05 13:11:33 <+Skizzerz>    it's been slightly livlier since our resolution in the last meeting, but only regulars are visiting it
Apr 05 13:12:04 <+Skizzerz>    I'd like to devise some sort of campaign to make it a valid place for newer users to get help
Apr 05 13:12:29 <ness>    Has there been discussion concerning the implementation of a Java IRC client for SW?
Apr 05 13:12:34 <+Skizzerz>    getting our own portal would be step 1
Apr 05 13:12:46 <ness>    oh, whoops, thought you were going somewhere else. nvm.
Apr 05 13:12:51 <+Skizzerz>    :P
Apr 05 13:13:04 <Procyon>    It's still a valid point.
Apr 05 13:13:26 <+Skizzerz>    adding a link to the portal in the sidebar would be step 2, and an announcement step 3. We can decide on what else needs to be done after that
Apr 05 13:13:29 <ness>    Actually, yes... kills two birds with one stone, no?
Apr 05 13:13:40 <Procyon>    in effect.
Apr 05 13:13:44 <DrBob_away_dammit>    Procyon: I wouldn't yet be fully in favour of RobJ as a sysop. The work he's done has been quite basic, if extensive; he'd have to take a more active role in things for me to support a nomination of him for sysop
Apr 05 13:13:46 <~Prod>    we could add the java client to the bottom of SW:IRC
Apr 05 13:13:50 *    DrBob_away_dammit is now known as DrBob
Apr 05 13:14:06 <ness>    indeed. Can we give it a navbar link?
Apr 05 13:14:07 <+Skizzerz>    there are a few extensions that integrate IRC with MediaWiki
Apr 05 13:14:17 <Procyon>    DrBob: Understood.  I'm not yet suggesting that he be recommended, just that I'm keeping my eye on him.
Apr 05 13:14:30 <Procyon>    ness: Certainly.
Apr 05 13:14:44 <+Skizzerz>    http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:IRC_Chat would be my top choice if we decide upon the integration route
Apr 05 13:15:10 <Procyon>    Skizzerz: How does that work?  Is it in real time? o_O
Apr 05 13:15:23 <+Skizzerz>    Procyon: it's a PJIRC client integrated into a special page
Apr 05 13:15:30 <ness>    I like.
Apr 05 13:15:50 <+Skizzerz>    it also allows you to specify your nickname in Preferences, so none of abxy's UserXX stuff
Apr 05 13:15:51 <~Prod>    it also adds a default user configurable username
Apr 05 13:15:51 <Procyon>    Wow, that's pretty impressive :o
Apr 05 13:16:06 <ness>    Skizzerz: You mentioned that there were others. What others would those be?
Apr 05 13:16:08 <+Skizzerz>    I'll get a prototype on my test wiki in a bit
Apr 05 13:16:15 <ness>    Just so we may weigh all options, you know.
Apr 05 13:16:25 <+Skizzerz>    ness: only other one I know of offhand is http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PJIRC
Apr 05 13:17:28 <ness>    http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Mibbit
Apr 05 13:17:29 <~Prod>    will any of those let us put the client on a specified page?
Apr 05 13:17:33 <Procyon>    I certainly think it will be an advantage to have a web-based IRC link.  I may actually be able to use it while I'm at work.
Apr 05 13:17:39 <~Prod>    or do they all just put it on a special page?
Apr 05 13:17:56 <~Prod>    (Procyon): probably not, it still uses the standard irc ports
Apr 05 13:17:57 <ness>    Prod: I think the latter.
Apr 05 13:18:05 <Procyon>    darn...
Apr 05 13:18:10 <ness>    They all say "Special Page"...
Apr 05 13:18:14 <+Skizzerz>    all are Special pages
Apr 05 13:18:24 <Procyon>    Prod: Just out of curiousity, why is that a concern?
Apr 05 13:18:24 <+Skizzerz>    although you could shell the special page via AJAX
Apr 05 13:18:36 <ness>    I stand with Procyon on that question.
Apr 05 13:18:38 <~Prod>    so we can put it on SW:IRC instead of a separate page
Apr 05 13:18:39 <~Prod>    saves a link
Apr 05 13:18:48 <Procyon>    hmm
Apr 05 13:18:49 <+Skizzerz>    Prod: again, AJAX ;)
Apr 05 13:19:01 <ness>    I think it's better to have the client on its own page.
Apr 05 13:19:06 <+Skizzerz>    or have javascript do a <frameset>
Apr 05 13:19:08 <Procyon>    AJAX is really new though, isn't it?
Apr 05 13:19:14 <~Prod>    fairly
Apr 05 13:19:35 <~Prod>    i was thinking we could do something like what we have for SW:Calendar
Apr 05 13:19:42 <~Prod>    have js insert the client
Apr 05 13:19:53 <DrBob>    Procyon: AJAX has been around since IE5, just nobody's used it until now
Apr 05 13:20:36 <~Prod>    but a special page is better than nothing for sure
Apr 05 13:20:38 <+Skizzerz>    I could also write a tag extension that shells the client
Apr 05 13:21:20 <Procyon>    OK, then Skizzerz, you'll prototype this for us?
Apr 05 13:21:27 <+Skizzerz>    sure
Apr 05 13:21:30 <Procyon>    Awesome.
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Apr 05 13:21:49 <+Skizzerz>    hi PowerMatt
Apr 05 13:21:51 <Procyon>    Hey matt!
Apr 05 13:21:56 <Procyon>    welcome
Apr 05 13:21:58 <Charitwo>    hi
Apr 05 13:21:58 <PowerMatt>    Better late than never :P
Apr 05 13:21:58 <ness>    So we're doing AJAX Java?
Apr 05 13:22:17 <~Prod>    for now, stick to a separate special page
Apr 05 13:22:18 <+Skizzerz>    ness: having the special page extension, then using AJAX to include the client into SW:IRC
Apr 05 13:22:22 <~Prod>    we can figure out what to do further later
Apr 05 13:22:46 *    Prod goes to business speak
Apr 05 13:22:58 <~Prod>    Lets get some quick wins, and then we can consider enhancements at a later date
Apr 05 13:23:05 *    Prod goes back to normal
Apr 05 13:23:10 <Procyon>    OK, and in the mean time, continue to make more efforts to sign on whenever you can.  I know that I am guilty of this issue.
Apr 05 13:23:32 <Procyon>    Awesome, thanks for the update Skiz.  If you think of anything else, please let us know.
Apr 05 13:23:43 <+Skizzerz>    sure :)
Apr 05 13:23:49 <Procyon>    Next up is the DoubleJump update.
Apr 05 13:24:05 <Procyon>    I'm sure that by now, many of you have seen the post that I made in the forums,
Apr 05 13:24:16 <Procyon>    showing the ad that DJ printed in their latest stretgy guide for SW>
Apr 05 13:24:34 *    PowerMatt goes to find post.
Apr 05 13:24:58 <Procyon>    Matt: here
Apr 05 13:25:00 <ness>    Skizzerz: one last thing.
Apr 05 13:25:01 <Procyon>    http://forums.strategywiki.org/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=26158
Apr 05 13:25:11 <+Skizzerz>    ness: yes?
Apr 05 13:25:25 <PowerMatt>    very cool
Apr 05 13:25:32 <Procyon>    Isn't it? ^_^
Apr 05 13:25:33 <ness>    Organization-wise, is it wise to include a Java IRC client on a page under the SW /guide/, not general /website/?
Apr 05 13:25:47 <+Skizzerz>    good point...
Apr 05 13:25:52 <Procyon>    And of course, we have the DJ logo in our banner, thanks to the efforts of Teddy and DrBob.
Apr 05 13:26:10 <ness>    It would be better if we put it on a special page that included SW:IRC IMO.
Apr 05 13:26:19 <Procyon>    And since then, DJ has done even MORE integration.
Apr 05 13:26:26 <Procyon>    Have a look at http://www.doublejumpbooks.com/yabbse/index.php?board=1.0
Apr 05 13:26:43 <Procyon>    utilizing the banner that Teddy made, with the addition of the DJ logo naturally,
Apr 05 13:26:50 <Procyon>    and, probably best of all,
Apr 05 13:27:12 <Procyon>    http://www.hardcoregamer.com/ has replaced the link to their original wiki with a link to SW.
Apr 05 13:27:42 <Procyon>    So there can be no doubt how dedicated Tim is to our partnership.
Apr 05 13:27:58 <Procyon>    There's very little more support that we could possibly ask for.
Apr 05 13:28:06 <Procyon>    The most important step right now,
Apr 05 13:28:17 <Procyon>    is to come up with an agreement on the DJ template.
Apr 05 13:28:29 <DrBob>    Procyon: Would it be possible for things like this (http://www.hardcoregamer.com/index.php?option=com_magazine&id_rubrique=3&type=article&id_article=44) to be done on SW in future?
Apr 05 13:29:02 <DrBob>    They seem to be web-only, and would naturally fit in on SW
Apr 05 13:29:13 <Procyon>    The one which we will add for all guides that DJ has a published guide on sale for.
Apr 05 13:29:30 <Procyon>    DrBob: Oh, definitely.  That guide is really impressive.
Apr 05 13:29:42 <Procyon>    Oh,
Apr 05 13:29:52 <Procyon>    you mean from the standpoint of them contributing to SW?
Apr 05 13:30:08 <DrBob>    Yes. I know it's a lot to ask
Apr 05 13:30:30 <Procyon>    We can certainly talk to them about it.  One thing I imagine they will be protective about it custom content.
Apr 05 13:30:50 <Procyon>    The only reason I say that is because they need _something_ to attract viewers to their site which will help promote their sales.
Apr 05 13:31:06 <DrBob>    True
Apr 05 13:31:15 <Procyon>    However, I don't see why, after some period of time, those videos can't be migrated to SW, or at the very least linked to.
Apr 05 13:31:29 <~Prod>    we can probably create a template like we have for youtube
Apr 05 13:31:35 <Procyon>    But seriously, they did an amazing job with that.
Apr 05 13:31:42 <Procyon>    Prod: I think that's an excellent idea.
Apr 05 13:31:52 <DrBob>    +1 from me
Apr 05 13:32:02 <Procyon>    I would put it as priority number 2 after we get through the template for print guides.
Apr 05 13:32:16 <DrBob>    I'll do that if Tim's OK with it
Apr 05 13:32:26 <Procyon>    Tim has certainly made a lot of good faith efforts on his part, and I want to make sure that SW keeps up our end.
Apr 05 13:32:41 <Procyon>    Garrett (who I'm sorry isn't here) had made some interesting attempts.
Apr 05 13:32:48 <Procyon>    There were two concerns, however.
Apr 05 13:33:09 <Procyon>    1) the degree to which it pushed down the ad,
Apr 05 13:33:40 <Procyon>    and 2) Tim was concerned about how identical to the rest of the site's layout it looked so that it didn't appear to offer any new information, even though the content inside was in fact unique.
Apr 05 13:34:17 <Procyon>    Utilizing the guide cover (which is usually the same as the game cover) and reutilizing the DJ logo in exactly the same font and colors makes it appear redundant.
Apr 05 13:34:52 <Procyon>    If anyone here as any ideas, I invite you to contribute to the thread on the forum.
Apr 05 13:34:58 <Procyon>    has*
Apr 05 13:35:16 <Procyon>    which is actually our next topic of conversation.
Apr 05 13:35:29 <Procyon>    Before we move on, does anyone have any questions about DJ at this time?
Apr 05 13:35:40 <DrBob>    http://forums.strategywiki.org/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=26131 <-- thread
Apr 05 13:35:40 <Procyon>    (or comments)
Apr 05 13:35:44 <~Prod>    why does the ad look so awesome?
Apr 05 13:35:51 <Procyon>    lol
Apr 05 13:36:07 <Procyon>    I'm literally holding it in my hands as we speak,.
Apr 05 13:36:16 <Procyon>    It's even awesomerer in paper. :)
Apr 05 13:36:52 <Procyon>    (I also think it's funny how it just _happened_ to have a snap of the front page when the Pokemon guides were being featured)
Apr 05 13:36:59 <Procyon>    It's almost like a subliminal message.
Apr 05 13:37:02 <~Prod>    yea lol
Apr 05 13:37:09 <Procyon>    COME TO STRATEGYpokemonWIKI!!!
Apr 05 13:37:28 <thatguy>    Pokémon >.>
Apr 05 13:37:31 <Procyon>    lol
Apr 05 13:37:44 <Procyon>    I stand corrected u_u
Apr 05 13:37:50 <thatguy>    :)
Apr 05 13:37:53 <Procyon>    Prod, would you like to discuss the forums and the current state of CI?
Apr 05 13:38:00 <Procyon>    You've been doing a lot of work on it lately.
Apr 05 13:38:09 <~Prod>    Sure
Apr 05 13:38:27 <~Prod>    CI has now been deprecated in favour of discussino shappening on the forums
Apr 05 13:39:00 <~Prod>    all the old discussions ahave been archived, and that page is going to be repurposed to discussing the community portal....which it is the talk page for :)
Apr 05 13:40:07 <~Prod>    The forums are now the home of all the discussions
Apr 05 13:40:11 <~Prod>    and it seems to be working well
Apr 05 13:41:00 <~Prod>    Purpose wise
Apr 05 13:41:19 <~Prod>    I hope that the sw community issues forum will be for discussion of overall topics with the whole of the SW site
Apr 05 13:41:19 <Procyon>    Yes, there's definitely been a trickle of non-sysop users appearing on the board,
Apr 05 13:41:35 <~Prod>    talk pages will be for discussing how to modify the guide
Apr 05 13:41:43 <Procyon>    and there has been a (slight) mingling of the abxy community as well, which I am all for.
Apr 05 13:41:50 <~Prod>    and anyone who wants help with a specific game should be pointed to the standard abxy community
Apr 05 13:42:16 <~Prod>    the more inter-mingling of communities the better
Apr 05 13:42:24 <~Prod>    since we're all part of the same community in the end :)
Apr 05 13:42:28 <Procyon>    Actually, yeah, that is an excellent point.
Apr 05 13:42:36 <Procyon>    If game question do end up on SW,
Apr 05 13:43:03 <Procyon>    Any sysop who discovers the question should probably politely direct that user to the abxy forums.
Apr 05 13:43:30 <Procyon>    It's not entirely likely that someone there will know the answer, but it will get more eyes going there than there have been.
Apr 05 13:43:57 <Procyon>    It's not on the agenda, but I'm sure that most people here are well aware of the general malaise taking place within the abxy community.
Apr 05 13:44:30 <Procyon>    I am hoping that the influx of new users may help turn that around a little bit.
Apr 05 13:44:49 <Procyon>    While at the same time, keeping the same feel and tone of the abxy community as it has always existed.
Apr 05 13:45:31 <Procyon>    It's more of a secondary goal, and we're here to discuss SW, but abxy's success has an impact on SW too, so they should be seen as working hand-in-hand.
Apr 05 13:46:03 <Procyon>    We're doing pretty well here.  I think we'll move through the next few topics rather quickly, as there's not a lot to say.
Apr 05 13:46:14 <Procyon>    Changes to the Main Page and SW:CP.
Apr 05 13:46:33 <Procyon>    As well as changes to the sidebar.
Apr 05 13:46:43 <Procyon>    You've seen 'em, you've been living with them for a little over a month,
Apr 05 13:46:59 <Procyon>    How does everybody feel about them?  Any major concerns or suggestions?
Apr 05 13:47:31 <Duke>    i like 'em
Apr 05 13:47:39 <DrBob>    The news on the main page is a little long at the moment, but other than that I'm fine with them
Apr 05 13:48:01 <DrBob>    Perhaps we could include a small image in each news item to make them more interesting?
Apr 05 13:48:03 <Procyon>    DrBob: I was concerned with that as well.  I really tried to trim the fat on that latest announcement, but it was hard.
Apr 05 13:48:26 <Procyon>    Also, I was wondering...
Apr 05 13:48:32 <Procyon>    Should we keep old announcements?
Apr 05 13:48:34 <Duke>    maybe we can have some kind of (more...) link?
Apr 05 13:48:35 <DrBob>    Procyon: It's one of those announcements which is so major it has to be big :)
Apr 05 13:48:40 <DrBob>    We should, yes
Apr 05 13:48:53 <Procyon>    Perhaps we should <includeonly> the two latest announcements,
Apr 05 13:48:59 <~Prod>    my thoughts exactly
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Apr 05 13:49:11 <Procyon>    OK cool.
Apr 05 13:49:26 <Procyon>    Then I will restore the older announcements and set the page up with <includeonly>
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Apr 05 13:49:49 <Procyon>    And we can link to the Announcements page if people want to read the rest.
Apr 05 13:49:54 <Procyon>    Hi NMH
Apr 05 13:50:00 <Notmyhandle>    hihi
Apr 05 13:50:04 <thatguy>    hi
Apr 05 13:50:16 <Procyon>    DrBob: The image idea is good as well.
Apr 05 13:51:07 <Procyon>    Does anyone else have any thoughts or comments on either the Main Page, SW:CP, or the Sidebar?
Apr 05 13:51:26 <Procyon>    Has anyone visited the Community Portal lately?  I know I tend not to very often.
Apr 05 13:51:40 <Teddy>    I wasn't paying attention.
Apr 05 13:51:47 <Teddy>    Am I needed for anything?
Apr 05 13:52:01 <~Prod>    oh, that's what I forgot
Apr 05 13:52:03 <Bmuig>    I think that is on of the main problems the way things are set up right now: nobody will se the promising guide etc..
Apr 05 13:52:09 <~Prod>    a new SW Forums skin ;)
Apr 05 13:52:14 <Procyon>    lol, Teddy, your presense is always appreciated, but there isn't a particular urgency if you have to go.
Apr 05 13:52:23 <Procyon>    Oh yes!
Apr 05 13:52:29 <Procyon>    Teddy, please please please.
Apr 05 13:52:36 <Notmyhandle>    Teddy: request for images =)
Apr 05 13:52:47 <~Prod>    (Teddy): we have tons of need for you :P
Apr 05 13:52:48 <Procyon>    NMH: Blendmaster did the original controller images.
Apr 05 13:52:53 <Notmyhandle>    oh that's who
Apr 05 13:52:56 <Teddy>    Eh?
Apr 05 13:52:57 <Notmyhandle>    Lol I always forget...
Apr 05 13:53:03 <Notmyhandle>    nevermind!
Apr 05 13:53:04 <DrBob>    We need to get Blendmaster back
Apr 05 13:53:05 <Procyon>    Too bad Blendmaster hasn't been around in a while now.
Apr 05 13:53:18 <DrBob>    I've e-mailed him a few times, but he hasn't replied :(
Apr 05 13:53:28 <~Prod>    (Teddy): whenever you have a chance, could you please upgrade the abxy skin to a sw-ish skin?
Apr 05 13:53:31 <Procyon>    Teddy: If I had one request that I need at the top of your list, it's the new SW Forum skin.
Apr 05 13:53:34 <Procyon>    lol
Apr 05 13:54:07 <Procyon>    NMH: Remind me again, which PSP control images do we need?  I'm no Blendmaster... but I can try.
Apr 05 13:54:44 <Procyon>    NMH: You can message me or respond here.
Apr 05 13:54:48 <Notmyhandle>    Home button, Left/Right bumpers I think, and sticks
Apr 05 13:54:53 <Procyon>    OK
Apr 05 13:54:59 <Procyon>    I'll see what I can do.
Apr 05 13:55:02 <Notmyhandle>    right stick in particular
Apr 05 13:55:28 <Notmyhandle>    Sidebar: looks good
Apr 05 13:55:35 <Notmyhandle>    Main Page: me likes.
Apr 05 13:55:40 <Procyon>    Alright, if anyone else has any other concerns about the Main Page, CP, or Sidebar (which as we discussed earlier, will get an IRC addition), please feel free to bring them up as we move on.
Apr 05 13:56:05 <Procyon>    Next up, we have the discussion about upgrading to MediaWiki 1.12.0
Apr 05 13:56:06 <Notmyhandle>    CP: did you guys talk about the promising guide change?
Apr 05 13:56:21 <Procyon>    oh yeah, we never did conclude that conversation.  Thank you NMH.
Apr 05 13:56:46 <Procyon>    Damn, that was a good call NMH, it's really important.
Apr 05 13:56:51 <Procyon>    Just to refresh everyone's memory,
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Apr 05 13:57:04 <Procyon>    Ech!!
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Apr 05 13:57:09 <Charitwo>    hi
Apr 05 13:57:18 <echelon>    Sorry for being late!
Apr 05 13:57:24 <+Skizzerz>    it's fine
Apr 05 13:57:30 <Streetsim>    Brandon!
Apr 05 13:57:31 <Procyon>    I'm not the channel op?
Apr 05 13:57:35 <Procyon>    I can
Apr 05 13:57:40 <Procyon>    I can't +o echelon...
Apr 05 13:57:53 <Procyon>    Oh well, no big deal.
Apr 05 13:57:54 *    PowerMatt gives channel operator status to echelon
Apr 05 13:58:09 <Notmyhandle>    Back to CP Promising Guides
Apr 05 13:58:14 <Procyon>    I will fill echelon in on the history by private message.
Apr 05 13:58:17 *    Prod gives channel operator status to Procyon
Apr 05 13:58:22 <@Procyon>    NMH, can you handle this discussion?
Apr 05 13:58:30 <Notmyhandle>    i wasn't here for the start of it
Apr 05 13:58:34 <@Procyon>    Oh, ok.
Apr 05 13:58:37 <Notmyhandle>    ='(
Apr 05 13:58:39 <@Procyon>    really quickly,
Apr 05 13:59:03 <@Procyon>    we want some mechanism to promote upcoming AAA titles that will help bring traffic to the site just as SSBB did.
Apr 05 13:59:19 <@Procyon>    At first I proposed we utilize Promising guides for that,
Apr 05 13:59:41 <@Procyon>    But then someone, I think Prod, suggested that Collab would be better.
Apr 05 13:59:47 <@Procyon>    And I understood the point.
Apr 05 13:59:56 <Notmyhandle>    I suggest we just change the name to Popular Guide
Apr 05 13:59:59 <@Procyon>    Collaborations are something that we want to direct attention to.
Apr 05 14:00:09 <@Procyon>    Promising guide can still keep it's original intention.
Apr 05 14:00:12 <~Prod>    My suggestino is that we simply retire promising guide
Apr 05 14:00:13 <@Procyon>    ANy thoughts on this?
Apr 05 14:00:34 <~Prod>    having two things we are trying to focus attention on simply divides the attention
Apr 05 14:00:48 <Duke>    i agree with Prod
Apr 05 14:00:49 <Notmyhandle>    Collab I like.  Promising is tougher... and doesn't really connect back to collabs.
Apr 05 14:01:04 <Notmyhandle>    I mean it's supposed to show what - a guide that's growing right?
Apr 05 14:01:17 <~Prod>    that's one problem
Apr 05 14:01:20 <~Prod>    it doesn't really tell what it's for
Apr 05 14:01:25 <Notmyhandle>    right...
Apr 05 14:01:37 <Bmuig>    but I think promising guide is a really nice way to encourage new or relatively new users to keep up the good work
Apr 05 14:01:38 <Notmyhandle>    from one perspective it already sounds like what we want, a popular guide
Apr 05 14:01:45 <Notmyhandle>    Ah
Apr 05 14:01:52 <~Prod>    hmm
Apr 05 14:01:56 <Notmyhandle>    I like that...
Apr 05 14:02:00 <~Prod>    good point
Apr 05 14:02:06 <Notmyhandle>    Perhaps we can assign promising guides based on admin preferences?
Apr 05 14:02:08 <Notmyhandle>    Rather than votes
Apr 05 14:02:12 <Notmyhandle>    make it easier
Apr 05 14:02:44 <~Prod>    how about a "Guide in the spotlight" or something like that
Apr 05 14:03:04 <Notmyhandle>    SotM?
Apr 05 14:03:18 <Notmyhandle>    Spotlight Guide of the Month?
Apr 05 14:04:36 <Notmyhandle>    I'm glad we finally got "Projects" placed on the CP (or linked anywhere for that matter).
Apr 05 14:04:37 <@Procyon>    (bare with me, still updating echelon)
Apr 05 14:04:53 <Duke>    perhaps a better way to encourage new users is to give them awards...
Apr 05 14:05:00 <Notmyhandle>    super cookies?!
Apr 05 14:05:00 <@echelon>    I see how use of the term "popular" might confuse/offend some users. What about "Hype"?
Apr 05 14:05:19 <Notmyhandle>    "Big Game of the Month"?
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Apr 05 14:06:43 <@echelon>    There might be more than one a month, though. Think November, before Christmas. That's a huge month.
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Apr 05 14:06:47 <Jack_Phoenix>    ohai
Apr 05 14:07:23 <Notmyhandle>    harro
Apr 05 14:07:24 <Teddy>    Prominent Guide, Prevailing Guide
Apr 05 14:07:37 <Teddy>    HOT GUIDEZ
Apr 05 14:07:48 <Notmyhandle>    HAWT
Apr 05 14:07:54 <Teddy>    Indeed.
Apr 05 14:08:05 <Teddy>    h4wtgu1dez
Apr 05 14:08:13 <@Procyon>    OK, I'm back.  Reading the history...
Apr 05 14:08:13 <PowerMatt>    Guide of the Moment?
Apr 05 14:08:18 <Streetsim>    hot guys? what is this site promoting now?
Apr 05 14:08:23 <Notmyhandle>    in the CP/MP we could just add a large box at the bottom
Apr 05 14:08:32 <Notmyhandle>    that could contain all the games we see fit to be there
Apr 05 14:08:44 <@Procyon>    lol
Apr 05 14:08:47 <Notmyhandle>    so 3 "guides of the month" would be there
Apr 05 14:08:48 <@Procyon>    k
Apr 05 14:08:57 <@echelon>    (wtf... hot guys?)
Apr 05 14:08:59 <@Procyon>    I agree with Bmuig's comment up above.
Apr 05 14:09:14 <PowerMatt>    I don't see what's wrong with just a simple "Featured Guides"
Apr 05 14:09:27 <Streetsim>    I agree with Mr. Merkey
Apr 05 14:09:44 <Teddy>    I think it should be, "Merkey's Featured Guides"
Apr 05 14:09:52 <Notmyhandle>    Because that's a completion level...
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Apr 05 14:10:02 <PowerMatt>    Works for me :)
Apr 05 14:10:03 <@Procyon>    yeah, Featured guide has a special meaning on the site.
Apr 05 14:10:09 <DrBob_away>    I've gtg again. Keep things sensible.
Apr 05 14:10:13 <Notmyhandle>    ciao
Apr 05 14:10:22 <Charitwo>    by DrBob_away
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Apr 05 14:10:26 <PowerMatt>    hmmm...
Apr 05 14:10:28 <@Procyon>    Any guide that is "beyond complete" in that it is well formatted and presented especially well graduates to one of the featured guides.
Apr 05 14:10:39 <@echelon>    Right, featured guides are considered "five star"
Apr 05 14:10:50 <PowerMatt>    Ah, so this is for "in progress" guides
Apr 05 14:11:00 <@echelon>    Right. The ones that are way-hyped.
Apr 05 14:11:07 <@echelon>    Smash Bros, Halo...
Apr 05 14:11:07 <Notmyhandle>    Spotlight Guide of the Month
Apr 05 14:11:15 <Notmyhandle>    "Focusing our attention..."
Apr 05 14:11:25 <@echelon>    I think there might be more than one a month though :-/
Apr 05 14:11:26 <Duke>    where are we planning on putting this feature?  CP or MP?
Apr 05 14:11:42 <@Procyon>    It has to replace one of them.
Apr 05 14:11:42 <Notmyhandle>    There are 2 discussions going on at the same time
Apr 05 14:11:59 <@Procyon>    Oh, sorry, Duke, it would be front page for sure.
Apr 05 14:12:06 <Notmyhandle>    Which do we want to talk about - popular guides, or the refinement of PGotM?
Apr 05 14:12:17 <@Procyon>    Well, let me clarify.
Apr 05 14:12:29 <@Procyon>    There are three categories of guides that we consider special.
Apr 05 14:12:32 <Teddy>    Spotlight Guides, Public Interest, Notorious Guides, Center Stage...
Apr 05 14:12:35 <Duke>    i'm thinking "up and coming guide"
Apr 05 14:12:45 <@Procyon>    Today we have featured guides, promising guides, and collaborations.
Apr 05 14:12:57 <@Procyon>    We don't have room to promote all three, especially on the front page.
Apr 05 14:13:20 <Duke>    collaborations should definitely be in the CP
Apr 05 14:13:29 <Notmyhandle>    agreed
Apr 05 14:13:30 <@Procyon>    Featured guides are important in that they serve as good examples to new users.
Apr 05 14:13:34 <~Prod>    same with spotlights
Apr 05 14:13:41 <@Procyon>    wait, wait...
Apr 05 14:13:44 <~Prod>    cause that's more for internal recognition
Apr 05 14:13:47 <Duke>    perhaps move the "ways you can help" to the CP only?
Apr 05 14:13:50 <~Prod>    they aren't ready for everyone to see
Apr 05 14:13:53 <@Procyon>    collabs == spotlights...
Apr 05 14:13:58 <~Prod>    whoa wait what?
Apr 05 14:14:03 <PowerMatt>    New Featured Guides? Or is that too close?
Apr 05 14:14:34 <Teddy>    Power Guides
Apr 05 14:14:34 <@Procyon>    OK, time out, let me reset the discussion for a moment.
Apr 05 14:14:35 <Duke>    "Up and Coming Guides"
Apr 05 14:14:39 <@Procyon>    I'll frame it this way:
Apr 05 14:14:43 <@Procyon>    GTA4 is coming out soon.
Apr 05 14:14:51 <Notmyhandle>    Duke: Developing Guide of the Month
Apr 05 14:14:53 <@Procyon>    We want to direct as much attention to that guide as we can.
Apr 05 14:15:06 <Teddy>    "CLICK THIS FUCKING GUIDE !"
Apr 05 14:15:10 *    echelon sets mode +m #SW-Meeting
Apr 05 14:15:17 <@Procyon>    Now we can either make a new category of guide, which I don't think anyone wants,
Apr 05 14:15:23 <@echelon>    (Hold on a sec, guys :P)
Apr 05 14:15:26 <@Procyon>    or we can repurpose one of our existing categories.
Apr 05 14:15:34 <@Procyon>    Promising or Collaboration.
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Apr 05 14:16:08 <@Procyon>    Initially I proposed promising, but some people, such as Bmuig, have suggested that it may be worth keeping Promising as is to promote and encourage new users.
Apr 05 14:16:18 <+Skizzerz>    I say repurpose collab... doesn't get much attention anyway
Apr 05 14:16:25 <@Procyon>    It doesn't have to be front page material.
Apr 05 14:16:27 *    echelon sets mode -m #SW-Meeting
Apr 05 14:16:31 <Procyon>    so as Skizzerz just said,
Apr 05 14:16:40 <@Procyon>    collab is the most ideal choice.
Apr 05 14:16:50 <@Procyon>    And it's something that we DO want on the front page.
Apr 05 14:16:54 <@echelon>    I would agree
Apr 05 14:16:57 <@Procyon>    Although we knew it would be big,
Apr 05 14:17:02 <@Procyon>    we kind of got lucky with SSBB.
Apr 05 14:17:05 <Notmyhandle>    Promising has always been successful at what it does - show what's up and coming.
Apr 05 14:17:10 <@echelon>    For the purposes of (awful, nasty) SEO, we need those links on the home page.
Apr 05 14:17:12 <Notmyhandle>    However, collab has never really worked.
Apr 05 14:17:23 <@echelon>    The more visible those links are to google, the better.
Apr 05 14:17:28 <@Procyon>    So now we want some kind of mechanism to direct attention to guides that will attract a lot of traffic.
Apr 05 14:17:32 <@echelon>    Because *google* brougth us the traffic
Apr 05 14:18:05 <@Procyon>    Since this is a big issue,
Apr 05 14:18:20 <@Procyon>    it may be better to continue this conversation on the forums.
Apr 05 14:18:23 <@Procyon>    We need to determine
Apr 05 14:18:33 <@Procyon>    a) if in fact it is collaboration that we will repurpose,
Apr 05 14:18:33 <Streetsim>    Nigritude Ultramarine?
Apr 05 14:18:42 <@Procyon>    b) how that repurposing will take shape, and
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Apr 05 14:18:53 <@Procyon>    c) how we will promote these guides.
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Apr 05 14:19:11 <~Prod>    so, here's my suggestion
Apr 05 14:19:25 <~Prod>    We currently have Promising guide which has very little purpose
Apr 05 14:19:36 <~Prod>    and we have collaboration which gets minimal traffic
Apr 05 14:19:44 <~Prod>    we can take collaboration, move it to the front page
Apr 05 14:19:52 <@Procyon>    agreed
Apr 05 14:19:53 <~Prod>    and suggest guides that we want people to work on
Apr 05 14:20:17 <~Prod>    we retire promising guide as a name, since it really doesn't mean much
Apr 05 14:20:32 <~Prod>    and we replace it with "Spotlight" (or some soon to be determined name)
Apr 05 14:20:37 <~Prod>    that will go on our community portal
Apr 05 14:20:43 <@Procyon>    In fact, we don't even have to change the front page if we put these encouraged collaborations in the "Ways you can help" section.
Apr 05 14:20:46 <~Prod>    to showcase what our members have done to the community itself
Apr 05 14:21:12 <~Prod>    (Procyon): it would need an image to focus attention on it
Apr 05 14:21:13 <@echelon>    "Spotlight" is a far better name.
Apr 05 14:21:36 <@echelon>    Since our goal is to focus attention to guides, could we collapse *both* categories into just "spotlight"?
Apr 05 14:21:37 <~Prod>    (echelon): exactly :)
Apr 05 14:21:38 <@Procyon>    Prod: That's finr.
Apr 05 14:21:40 <@Procyon>    fine
Apr 05 14:21:51 <@echelon>    With the single stipulation that there's not just one spotlight guide a month?
Apr 05 14:22:00 <~Prod>    well, the purpose of spotlights are to reward our good contributors
Apr 05 14:22:12 <Notmyhandle>    Ech: this isn't in regards to the "Hot guides"
Apr 05 14:22:13 <~Prod>    the purpose of collaboration is to attract new users
Apr 05 14:22:13 <@Procyon>    Or rather, it's not limited to one spotlight a month.
Apr 05 14:22:17 <Notmyhandle>    aka GTA4...
Apr 05 14:22:23 <~Prod>    collaboration = hot guide = GTA4 for this month
Apr 05 14:22:29 <@Procyon>    right
Apr 05 14:22:35 <~Prod>    and we put that on the front page
Apr 05 14:22:36 <@echelon>    alright
Apr 05 14:22:52 <Duke>    i think to spotlight good contributors, we should give them awards...  "spotlight" only last a for a bit on the MP
Apr 05 14:22:54 <@Procyon>    I think echelon just wants to make sure that if (like in November) two AAA titles are coming out, we don't want to gamble by sticking with only one.
Apr 05 14:22:54 <Notmyhandle>    so we have to change both names then?
Apr 05 14:23:20 <~Prod>    collaboration can stay the same
Apr 05 14:23:25 <@Procyon>    Duke: That's a nice idea.  DrBob has the {{Thankyou}} template.
Apr 05 14:23:27 <~Prod>    cause we want to collaborate
Apr 05 14:23:38 <@echelon>    Right, Procyon
Apr 05 14:23:52 <~Prod>    which were they in november?
Apr 05 14:24:04 <@Procyon>    No, I was just saying, for the holiday season.
Apr 05 14:24:22 <~Prod>    ah
Apr 05 14:24:25 <~Prod>    i see
Apr 05 14:24:32 <@Procyon>    It's funny, after GTA4... what next?
Apr 05 14:24:35 <~Prod>    It's more an "allocation of space"
Apr 05 14:24:38 <@Procyon>    MGS4?
Apr 05 14:24:50 <~Prod>    we allocate space ont he front page, and figure out what to do with it on a month by mnonth basis
Apr 05 14:24:57 <Duke>    why don't we keep collab for current guides that are promising (takes over the promising thing, and encourage people to help) and then have a new "developing" for new games
Apr 05 14:24:59 <Notmyhandle>    Ok I like what we've come up with.  One other thing - do we just remove featured guides from the MP?
Apr 05 14:25:22 <@Procyon>    NMH: We don't have to if we repurpose "Ways you can help"
Apr 05 14:25:32 <~Prod>    ways you can help and finding help can be merged
Apr 05 14:25:49 <~Prod>    and then we can convert one of the boxes to "Collaboration"
Apr 05 14:25:55 <Notmyhandle>    Ways you can help: find errors in featured guides?
Apr 05 14:25:57 <@Procyon>    oh!  Excellent idea.
Apr 05 14:26:08 <~Prod>    :P
Apr 05 14:26:25 <@Procyon>    NMH: that one doesn't sound so great :)
Apr 05 14:26:31 <Notmyhandle>    =)
Apr 05 14:26:39 <~Prod>    THERE ARE NO ERRORS!1!1!!!one!!1!!1
Apr 05 14:26:55 <@Procyon>    OK.  In there interest of time, we definitely need to continue this discussion on the forums.
Apr 05 14:26:57 <Notmyhandle>    im just wondering what you would change it to...
Apr 05 14:27:01 <Notmyhandle>    k
Apr 05 14:27:02 *    Skizzerz agrees with Procyon
Apr 05 14:27:04 <@Procyon>    But I think we have a solid idea on the plan.
Apr 05 14:27:14 <@Procyon>    It's really the details in executing.
Apr 05 14:27:19 <Notmyhandle>    who's starting the thread, or are we continuing it from the one that already exists?
Apr 05 14:27:34 <@Procyon>    I started the thread, but feel free to start a new one if you like.
Apr 05 14:27:35 <@echelon>    I don't think we can go wrong with this one, honestly ;)
Apr 05 14:27:41 <@Procyon>    It doesn't matter to me.
Apr 05 14:28:09 <@Procyon>    My thread is already on the second page,
Apr 05 14:28:12 <@Procyon>    so start a new one.
Apr 05 14:28:22 <@Procyon>    (wow, we have three pages already :)
Apr 05 14:28:39 <@Procyon>    OK, one of the last official topics is the upgrade to MediaWiki 1.12.0
Apr 05 14:28:52 <Procyon>    Skiz, are you interested in discussing that?
Apr 05 14:29:03 <@Procyon>    Or even echelon?
Apr 05 14:29:21 <~Prod>    So
Apr 05 14:29:23 <@echelon>    I can handle that
Apr 05 14:29:23 <+Skizzerz>    uh, I think echelon might be a better candidate for that since he knows more about updating sw than me
Apr 05 14:29:28 <@Procyon>    lol
Apr 05 14:29:30 <@echelon>    BUT
Apr 05 14:29:36 <@echelon>    I want one of you to watch how it happens :P
Apr 05 14:29:45 <@Procyon>    That would be a good idea.
Apr 05 14:30:11 <Streetsim>    ok i'm leaving to go to the mall. I've been looking everywhere for the doublejump book!
Apr 05 14:30:16 <Notmyhandle>    u gonna screencap it using FRAPS? =)
Apr 05 14:30:26 <@Procyon>    Streetsim: Good luck, let us know if you find it on the forums.
Apr 05 14:30:59 <@Procyon>    Any volunteers to watch echelon performt the upgrade?
Apr 05 14:31:07 *    Prod will be there
Apr 05 14:31:09 <echelon>    I nominate Skizzers and or Prod
Apr 05 14:31:11 <@Procyon>    awesome.
Apr 05 14:31:13 <~Prod>    i hope db will be there too
Apr 05 14:31:22 <+Skizzerz>    sure
Apr 05 14:31:26 <@Procyon>    I wouldn't mind as well provided I'm available/
Apr 05 14:31:26 <@echelon>    I have a feeling db is familiar with the process
Apr 05 14:31:35 <@echelon>    But he's welcome to help me explain things
Apr 05 14:31:40 <~Prod>    sounds like a plan
Apr 05 14:31:42 <@Procyon>    What time would this take place?
Apr 05 14:31:45 <~Prod>    we can discuss that separately
Apr 05 14:31:50 <@echelon>    Yeah
Apr 05 14:31:52 <~Prod>    hopefully late at night/early morning
Apr 05 14:32:03 <~Prod>    so as not to impact performance as everything is recached
Apr 05 14:32:05 <@echelon>    Late at night rules out db, but that's kind of ideal :-/
Apr 05 14:32:11 <@echelon>    Right
Apr 05 14:32:19 <@Procyon>    OK,
Apr 05 14:32:23 <@echelon>    sometime nobody accesses the site
Apr 05 14:32:29 <@Procyon>    This would be a good discussion for the Google group.
Apr 05 14:32:43 <Notmyhandle>    Are there any issues with the upgrade besides downtime?
Apr 05 14:32:48 <@Procyon>    Right Prod? ;)
Apr 05 14:32:52 <~Prod>    there may be skin breakage
Apr 05 14:33:06 <+Skizzerz>    no, very little skin changes were made between 1.11 and 1.12
Apr 05 14:33:14 <~Prod>    that's good
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Apr 05 14:33:21 <~Prod>    however, we still have some issues from 1.11 hanging around :P
Apr 05 14:33:39 <Notmyhandle>    like?
Apr 05 14:33:47 <thatguy>    multiupload?
Apr 05 14:33:53 <~Prod>    multiupload is "mostly" fixed
Apr 05 14:34:00 <~Prod>    still doesn't do descriptions properly
Apr 05 14:34:07 <~Prod>    but it does allow uploading a lot a ta time
Apr 05 14:34:21 <~Prod>    one problem still around is the bottom of the page doesn't render properly in ie6
Apr 05 14:34:32 <~Prod>    another is that watching doesn't use the new ajax functionality
Apr 05 14:34:34 <+Skizzerz>    that's probably a CSS error
Apr 05 14:34:39 <@echelon>    IE6? Come on, you guys aren't all using FF? :P
Apr 05 14:34:49 <@Procyon>    So for those involved in the upgrade, please check the Google group.
Apr 05 14:34:52 <~Prod>    something like 25% of our traffic is still on ie6 :P
Apr 05 14:34:58 <Teddy>    lololol
Apr 05 14:35:00 <thatguy>    Well... in IE6 it crashes after about 4 pageviews anyway...
Apr 05 14:35:08 <~Prod>    :-O
Apr 05 14:35:16 <thatguy>    thanks to widgetbucks
Apr 05 14:35:18 <Jack_Phoenix>    IE6 sucks
Apr 05 14:35:20 <Charitwo>    thatguy: ie6 is a pile
Apr 05 14:35:23 <@echelon>    Really?
Apr 05 14:35:23 <Jack_Phoenix>    don't support it
Apr 05 14:35:26 <@echelon>    Widgetbucks?
Apr 05 14:35:27 <thatguy>    it did for me
Apr 05 14:35:33 <Jack_Phoenix>    even wowwiki guys agree with me that ie6 sucks ;-)
Apr 05 14:35:35 <Notmyhandle>    We support IE6?
Apr 05 14:35:39 <+Skizzerz>    echelon: the ad on the right column
Apr 05 14:35:41 <thatguy>    crashed out flash
Apr 05 14:35:43 <@Procyon>    Not officially...
Apr 05 14:35:44 <~Prod>    we support whoever visits us :P
Apr 05 14:35:54 <@Procyon>    exactly
Apr 05 14:36:03 <~Prod>    we've got people browsing us on mobile phones, psps, wiis
Apr 05 14:36:05 <~Prod>    etc...
Apr 05 14:36:12 <Charitwo>    and we can encourage those to upgrade to IE7
Apr 05 14:36:17 <@Procyon>    There was a long time ago when we talked about adding a "best viewed in Firefox" notice, but that never took place.
Apr 05 14:36:18 <~Prod>    or opera
Apr 05 14:36:19 <Notmyhandle>    People with IE6 are computer illiterate or using older financial software.
Apr 05 14:36:22 <~Prod>    or firefox
Apr 05 14:36:34 <thatguy>    or called thatguy
Apr 05 14:36:49 <@Procyon>    I have viewed SW a number of times on the Wii and on my wife's iPhone.
Apr 05 14:36:53 <Charitwo>    Jack_Phoenix: do you have IE6 stalked? :P
Apr 05 14:37:01 <@Procyon>    Ironically, the iPhone handles the site better.
Apr 05 14:37:02 <Jack_Phoenix>    nah
Apr 05 14:37:07 <+Skizzerz>    which reminds me, there's a new config variable for the iPhone
Apr 05 14:37:11 <Jack_Phoenix>    just happened to look into this window
Apr 05 14:37:14 <PowerMatt>    people using IE6 are 17% of IE users... according to our stats
Apr 05 14:37:24 <+Skizzerz>    that sets the image that appears on the screen when you bookmark or w/e the site
Apr 05 14:37:40 <@Procyon>    oh, cool.
Apr 05 14:37:51 <@Procyon>    OK,
Apr 05 14:37:57 <+Skizzerz>    $wgAppleTouchIcon IIRC
Apr 05 14:37:58 <@Procyon>    before we get too bogged down in this,
Apr 05 14:38:09 <~Prod>    from analytics, firefox is about 40%, ie6 is about 20%, ie7 is about 40%
Apr 05 14:38:17 <@Procyon>    we should either plan to discuss optimizations for IE6 users at a later date, or abandon the issue.
Apr 05 14:38:23 <PowerMatt>    I'm reading from awstats
Apr 05 14:38:44 <Notmyhandle>    MainPage notice: IE6 users - update or get a new browser!
Apr 05 14:38:46 <+Skizzerz>    Procyon: bring it up on the forums, I'm guessing. like "ATTENTION: whoever uses IE6 and is good at CSS please help us"
Apr 05 14:38:47 <thatguy>    how much percent before widgetbucks started?
Apr 05 14:39:01 <@Procyon>    Seeing as the number of IE6 users should only decrease and not increase, I don't feel it's an urgent issue.
Apr 05 14:39:14 <~Prod>    it used to be around 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 fx, ie6, ie7
Apr 05 14:39:20 <~Prod>    but people are slowly migrating over it seems
Apr 05 14:39:24 <@echelon>    I wonder if widgetbucks has  really crashed a lot of people?
Apr 05 14:39:28 <thatguy>    i'm not sure if it was just me though with the crashing
Apr 05 14:39:28 <Notmyhandle>    How is advertisment support working?
Apr 05 14:39:44 <Notmyhandle>    Mine times out 50% of the time (makes loading a page twice as long)
Apr 05 14:39:44 <+Skizzerz>    widgetbucks never crashed on me when I tried using IE6
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Apr 05 14:39:58 <@Procyon>    Yeah, are we covering our expenses so far echelon?
Apr 05 14:40:02 <Jack_Phoenix>    just display fancy js for ie6 users
Apr 05 14:40:12 <@echelon>    With both, yes
Apr 05 14:40:16 <@Procyon>    nice
Apr 05 14:40:16 <@echelon>    With only Google, no
Apr 05 14:40:16 <Jack_Phoenix>    "we noticed that you are using internet explorer 6. please update to ie7"
Apr 05 14:40:18 <Jack_Phoenix>    or something ;-)
Apr 05 14:40:18 <Notmyhandle>    Yay
Apr 05 14:40:29 <thatguy>    no, upgrade to firefox
Apr 05 14:40:33 <@Procyon>    Well, that's not too surprising.
Apr 05 14:40:38 <+Skizzerz>    and are we making a profit or only breaking even?
Apr 05 14:40:39 <@echelon>    Prod and I discussed figures last night
Apr 05 14:40:54 <Notmyhandle>    X-Men or Ninja Turtles?
Apr 05 14:41:02 <@Procyon>    o_O?
Apr 05 14:41:04 <+Skizzerz>    Notmyhandle: huh?
Apr 05 14:41:06 <@echelon>    Well, Widgetbucks pays bi-monthly (or something, maybe it's every 90 days)
Apr 05 14:41:45 <@echelon>    In either case, I think we're getting almost making 1/3rd more
Apr 05 14:41:48 <@echelon>    We should run the figures
Apr 05 14:41:53 <@Procyon>    Well, allow me to bring up a new topic, unless anyone objects.
Apr 05 14:41:58 <+Skizzerz>    go ahead
Apr 05 14:42:01 <@Procyon>    I have to get going soon.
Apr 05 14:42:09 <@Procyon>    OK, Sysops as forum modes.
Apr 05 14:42:13 <@Procyon>    mods
Apr 05 14:42:21 <@Procyon>    Echelon, would you like to discuss this?
Apr 05 14:42:23 *    DrBob_away is now known as DrBob
Apr 05 14:42:29 <Charitwo>    wb DrBob
Apr 05 14:42:34 <@Procyon>    wb Drbob
Apr 05 14:42:35 <DrBob>    bleh :)
Apr 05 14:42:51 <~Prod>    wbdb
Apr 05 14:43:29 <@Procyon>    ech?
Apr 05 14:43:48 <@Procyon>    or Prod?
Apr 05 14:43:57 <@echelon>    Sorry just got battery
Apr 05 14:44:04 <@Procyon>    np
Apr 05 14:44:04 <@echelon>    was running low
Apr 05 14:44:14 <Notmyhandle>    =============  Sysop As Forum Mods ===============
Apr 05 14:44:20 <@echelon>    Yeah, every SysOp should have mod permissions
Apr 05 14:44:23 <@echelon>    Simple as that :P
Apr 05 14:44:29 <+Skizzerz>    k, {{so fix it}} :D
Apr 05 14:44:33 <Notmyhandle>    ahaha
Apr 05 14:44:43 <@Procyon>    should have as in, already taken place, or should have as in, it should be that way but not yet?
Apr 05 14:45:00 <@echelon>    Should be that way but it hasn't happened yet
Apr 05 14:45:02 <@Procyon>    ok
Apr 05 14:45:36 <~Prod>    how do we go about getting it done?
Apr 05 14:45:43 <@Procyon>    Is there anyone among the abxy staff that we can communicate with in case you're unavailable?
Apr 05 14:45:46 <Notmyhandle>    We prod Ech
Apr 05 14:45:57 <+Skizzerz>    Procyon: I think only admins can promote people
Apr 05 14:46:10 <@Procyon>    Wait a sec...
Apr 05 14:46:21 *    Procyon is an admin at abxy... he thinks.
Apr 05 14:46:26 <+Skizzerz>    no
Apr 05 14:46:30 <Notmyhandle>    u has color name tho
Apr 05 14:46:32 <+Skizzerz>    just a Global Mod last time I checked
Apr 05 14:46:53 <@Procyon>    But I can post blogs
Apr 05 14:46:53 <+Skizzerz>    yeah, global mod
Apr 05 14:47:01 <+Skizzerz>    admin being you can access the Admin CP
Apr 05 14:47:11 *    DrBob is a global mod too
Apr 05 14:47:24 <+Skizzerz>    only admins are echelon, ness, PowerMatt, and Teddy
Apr 05 14:47:24 <@Procyon>    ooooh
Apr 05 14:47:26 <Charitwo>    you can tell someone's a services admin if they watch you try attempted oper actions
Apr 05 14:47:28 <@Procyon>    OK
Apr 05 14:47:40 <+Skizzerz>    Charitwo: FORUM admins ;)
Apr 05 14:47:56 <thatguy>    if your name's red then yopu're an admin, if it's green than you're a moderator
Apr 05 14:47:58 <~Prod>    back to the point at hand....
Apr 05 14:48:00 <@echelon>    on that note..let me see if I can recover mine
Apr 05 14:48:10 <~Prod>    PowerMatt is here
Apr 05 14:48:17 <@Procyon>    ness was here...
Apr 05 14:48:17 *    echelon sets mode +q #SW-Meeting echelon
Apr 05 14:48:19 <~echelon>    yeah
Apr 05 14:48:19 <~Prod>    can he do the changes?
Apr 05 14:48:21 <@Procyon>    Teddy is here
Apr 05 14:48:23 *    echelon sets mode -q #SW-Meeting echelon
Apr 05 14:48:26 <DrBob>    What if status on the forums corresponds to status on SW? sysops->mods, bureaucrats->admins
Apr 05 14:48:44 <~Prod>    i think it's unnecessary
Apr 05 14:48:49 <+Skizzerz>    same
Apr 05 14:48:52 <@Procyon>    DrBob: That depends, do we have to do the same in return? :D
Apr 05 14:48:57 <~Prod>    admins can be promoted as they're needed
Apr 05 14:48:59 <DrBob>    lol
Apr 05 14:49:06 <thatguy>    xD
Apr 05 14:49:30 <~Prod>    for the moment, we just need local forum mods for the CI so things can be handled properly
Apr 05 14:49:37 <@Procyon>    true
Apr 05 14:49:41 <~Prod>    monitoring the rest of abxy is a separate issue
Apr 05 14:49:43 <DrBob>    We should probably have one person as an admin
Apr 05 14:50:02 *    Procyon nominates Prod
Apr 05 14:50:05 *    Prod hides
Apr 05 14:50:11 <~Prod>    we can worry about that later :P
Apr 05 14:50:17 <Teddy>    Two admins.
Apr 05 14:50:26 <Notmyhandle>    cabal issues...
Apr 05 14:50:27 <Notmyhandle>    ahaha
Apr 05 14:50:43 <+Skizzerz>    cabal issues don't belong in a public channel... geez >:B
Apr 05 14:51:04 <thatguy>    what cabal?
Apr 05 14:51:06 <+Skizzerz>    yeah... /me disowns that emoticon
Apr 05 14:51:11 <+Skizzerz>    thatguy: exactly
Apr 05 14:51:12 <Teddy>    (I would pick an admin stateside, and one in Europe)
Apr 05 14:51:22 *    Prod eyes DrBob
Apr 05 14:51:22 <Charitwo>    keep in mind full forum admins have a lot of power over those of the previous versions admin
Apr 05 14:51:28 <Notmyhandle>    Prod/Proc & DB?
Apr 05 14:51:31 <thatguy>    db for europe
Apr 05 14:51:37 <thatguy>    or me :P
Apr 05 14:51:40 *    Prod suggests Garrett as well
Apr 05 14:51:47 <thatguy>    yeh
Apr 05 14:51:57 *    Skizzerz would suggest admin-ing those that already have involvement in abxy
Apr 05 14:51:58 <~Prod>    but that's beyond the scope of this disussion
Apr 05 14:52:07 <~Prod>    we only need mods for now
Apr 05 14:52:09 <@Procyon>    That would sort of imply me.
Apr 05 14:52:30 <@Procyon>    Well, at this point in the meeting,
Apr 05 14:52:31 <Notmyhandle>    Garrett is active in abxy
Apr 05 14:52:37 <@Procyon>    we are done with official agenda topics.
Apr 05 14:52:43 <@Procyon>    NMH: Good point
Apr 05 14:52:53 <@Procyon>    and we have an open floor for any remaining concerns.
Apr 05 14:52:55 <+Skizzerz>    so... anyone else want to bring something pressing up?
Apr 05 14:53:12 <+Skizzerz>    oh, yeah... our WP article
Apr 05 14:53:25 <Duke>    not AFD yet!
Apr 05 14:53:42 <~Prod>    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StrategyWiki
Apr 05 14:54:02 <+Skizzerz>    marked as an advertisment with no reason why
Apr 05 14:54:14 <Jack_Phoenix>    Skizz: they always do that
Apr 05 14:54:18 <Jack_Phoenix>    to every damn article
Apr 05 14:54:23 <Jack_Phoenix>    check [[Wikia]] for another example
Apr 05 14:54:30 <Jack_Phoenix>    someone's logic probably is,
Apr 05 14:54:39 <Jack_Phoenix>    "if it's about a website, it MUST be an ad for that site!"
Apr 05 14:54:49 <DrBob>    They're sort of right ;)
Apr 05 14:54:59 <Notmyhandle>    "reads like an advertisement"
Apr 05 14:55:02 <Notmyhandle>    and I agree with DB
Apr 05 14:55:12 <+Skizzerz>    DrBob: not really... it does have some POV in it, but it's not like "hey, go to this site"
Apr 05 14:55:26 <PowerMatt>    Yeah, but wikipedia is *supposed* to be the hitchhiker's guide after all
Apr 05 14:55:29 <thatguy>    can someone message bibliomaniac if we need help in AFD
Apr 05 14:55:32 <~Prod>    i think they're jelous :)
Apr 05 14:55:38 <Duke>    maybe words like "aiming" in the first sentence are why...
Apr 05 14:55:39 <~Prod>    jealous
Apr 05 14:55:43 <Jack_Phoenix>    Prod: of course they are ;-)
Apr 05 14:56:15 <Charitwo>    i just noticed i was credited for the original creation, my memory is really bad :P
Apr 05 14:56:16 <@echelon>    I say we remove their notice
Apr 05 14:56:19 <@echelon>    and see what they do XD
Apr 05 14:56:24 <+Skizzerz>    Jack_Phoenix: ok, going along with that line of thinking... anyone want to {{advertisement}} on the Wikipedia article?
Apr 05 14:56:30 <~Prod>    lol
Apr 05 14:56:31 <DrBob>    Have someone who's not obviously from SW do it
Apr 05 14:56:40 <@echelon>    hrm
Apr 05 14:56:42 <Jack_Phoenix>    Skizz: roflmao
Apr 05 14:56:45 <@echelon>    We need to find someone
Apr 05 14:56:47 <+Skizzerz>    I'd say replace that tag with one more suitable with the situation at hand
Apr 05 14:56:58 <~Prod>    i say we label the "trivia" section as such
Apr 05 14:57:03 <~Prod>    and remove the advertisement labe
Apr 05 14:57:03 <~Prod>    l
Apr 05 14:57:19 <~Prod>    the only reason the "milestones" were there is to establish notability
Apr 05 14:57:20 <Jack_Phoenix>    I wonder why WP discourages trivia sections
Apr 05 14:57:28 <+Skizzerz>    Procyon: that's what {{trivia}} is for
Apr 05 14:57:29 <Jack_Phoenix>    I think trivia sections are fun to read through :)
Apr 05 14:57:34 <thatguy>    VE R ZE BORG?
Apr 05 14:57:35 <~Prod>    agreed
Apr 05 14:57:46 <@Procyon>    Gentlemen, I have to bid you fairwell and sign-off, I have another meeting to attend unfortunately.
Apr 05 14:57:53 <@Procyon>    Prod will take over for me.
Apr 05 14:57:59 *    Prod waves his hand
Apr 05 14:58:07 *    Notmyhandle dies a little
Apr 05 14:58:11 <+Skizzerz>    bye
Apr 05 14:58:13 <Teddy>    Bye
Apr 05 14:58:15 <DrBob>    Bye
Apr 05 14:58:15 <~Prod>    cya later Procyon
Apr 05 14:58:26 <thatguy>    bya
Apr 05 14:58:30 *    Procyon casts CURE2 on NMH
Apr 05 14:58:30 <thatguy>    bye*
Apr 05 14:58:33 <+Skizzerz>    also, {{POV}} might be a better tag for top until some non-strategywikian cleans it up
Apr 05 14:58:35 <thatguy>    wait... I got it
Apr 05 14:58:37 <Notmyhandle>    ^_^
Apr 05 14:58:45 <thatguy>    add {{Move to gaming wiki}} to StrategyWiki
Apr 05 14:58:46 *    Procyon waves goodbye
Apr 05 14:58:48 *    Procyon has left #SW-Meeting
Apr 05 14:58:49 <DrBob>    And so leaves one of our benevolent dictators for life
Apr 05 14:59:16 <~Prod>    lol
Apr 05 14:59:19 <+Skizzerz>    thatguy: oh, definately
Apr 05 14:59:37 <~Prod>    ok, so in the interests of us not being here all day :P
Apr 05 14:59:40 <+Skizzerz>    it's not like they don't advertise for us already
Apr 05 14:59:43 <~Prod>    who wants to make changes to the WP article?
Apr 05 14:59:50 *    Skizzerz nominates Garrett
Apr 05 14:59:53 <@echelon>    LOL
Apr 05 14:59:56 <~Prod>    -{{ad}} + {{trivia}}
Apr 05 15:00:06 <@echelon>    Poor Garrett can't defend himself
Apr 05 15:00:17 <+Skizzerz>    Garrett's a sysop though, so he won't be reverted
Apr 05 15:00:21 <thatguy>    bibliomaniac
Apr 05 15:00:22 <@echelon>    Ahhh
Apr 05 15:00:29 <~Prod>    it would also be nice to get his opinion on it
Apr 05 15:00:32 <thatguy>    he's a sysop and likes strategywiki
Apr 05 15:00:44 <Prod>    (Skizzerz): can you leave a message on his talk page?
Apr 05 15:00:48 <+Skizzerz>    Prod: k.
Apr 05 15:00:50 <thatguy>    but isn't too related
Apr 05 15:01:10 *    Teddy has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
Apr 05 15:01:11 <~Prod>    ok, I'd also like to bring up a few topics from the forums that have fallen "out of view"
Apr 05 15:01:29 <DrBob>    This is the problem of not moving finished threads
Apr 05 15:01:30 <~Prod>    http://forums.strategywiki.org/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=26118
Apr 05 15:01:35 <DrBob>    Current ones get lost in the mist
Apr 05 15:02:11 <~Prod>    (DrBob): with new mods, that should become less of a problem
Apr 05 15:02:17 <~Prod>    we can discuss how to handle that after :)
Apr 05 15:02:24 <DrBob>    I'm not so sure. I'm still in favour of an archive forum
Apr 05 15:02:29 <~Prod>    agreed
Apr 05 15:02:51 <~Prod>    so, about the |custom parameter
Apr 05 15:02:51 <Duke>    agreed
Apr 05 15:03:00 <~Prod>    can we go ahead and implement it?
Apr 05 15:03:03 <DrBob>    I think we're just about settled on the way it's to be done
Apr 05 15:03:05 <DrBob>    I'll implement i
Apr 05 15:03:06 <DrBob>    *it
Apr 05 15:03:10 <~Prod>    any objections?
Apr 05 15:03:19 <Notmyhandle>    Nay
Apr 05 15:03:36 <~Prod>    going once
Apr 05 15:03:41 <~Prod>    going twice
Apr 05 15:03:43 <Notmyhandle>    going thrice
Apr 05 15:03:53 <~Prod>    Sold to the man with the funny glasses
Apr 05 15:04:02 <~Prod>    ok, next is:
Apr 05 15:04:03 <~Prod>    http://forums.strategywiki.org/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=26162
Apr 05 15:04:08 <~Prod>    date categories
Apr 05 15:04:25 <DrBob>    That's probably something which needs more discussion *on the forum*
Apr 05 15:04:32 <+Skizzerz>    agreed
Apr 05 15:04:36 <~Prod>    implementing categorization by [[Month Day]] and by [[Year]] would be trivial
Apr 05 15:04:37 <DrBob>    We just need people to go there and...discuss
Apr 05 15:04:47 <+Skizzerz>    in fact, most forum topics should be discussed on the forum
Apr 05 15:04:50 <~Prod>    so i'd like to suggest we just implement that now
Apr 05 15:05:04 <~Prod>    we need to push some things a bit faster ;)
Apr 05 15:05:09 <DrBob>    Prod: I'm on it
Apr 05 15:05:22 <DrBob>    The forum topic will be for discussion of perhaps reorganising the whole date system
Apr 05 15:05:32 <~Prod>    as for the additonal ones of [[month Year]] that will require some work and discussion
Apr 05 15:05:45 <~Prod>    please feel free to comment :)
Apr 05 15:07:06 <Notmyhandle>    So...
Apr 05 15:07:10 <~Prod>    Anything else anyone wants to bring up?
Apr 05 15:07:27 <Notmyhandle>    so wait, have we decided to categories by all dates?
Apr 05 15:07:33 <Notmyhandle>    categorize
Apr 05 15:07:34 <DrBob>    Yes
Apr 05 15:07:47 <DrBob>    See the initial post in the topic
Apr 05 15:07:54 <Notmyhandle>    yeah I know
Apr 05 15:08:02 <Notmyhandle>    so what else needs to be reorganized?
Apr 05 15:08:21 <DrBob>    ?
Apr 05 15:08:28 <Notmyhandle>    "The forum topic will be for discussion of perhaps reorganising the whole date system"
Apr 05 15:08:44 <~Prod>    adding [[Category:December 1995]] or something like that
Apr 05 15:08:54 <~Prod>    it's a bit harder to build in than what is already there
Apr 05 15:09:10 <~Prod>    well, not "a bit"
Apr 05 15:09:12 <~Prod>    significantly
Apr 05 15:09:23 <~Prod>    it'll probably have to change the whole way {{rd}} works
Apr 05 15:09:43 <Notmyhandle>    well, with the automation of cats - yes
Apr 05 15:09:50 <~Prod>    the only other topic i'd like to bring attention to is image categories
Apr 05 15:09:50 <~Prod>    http://forums.strategywiki.org/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=26163
Apr 05 15:10:01 <~Prod>    everyone is invited to comment on it and we'll revisit it at the next meeting
Apr 05 15:10:07 <+Skizzerz>    sure
Apr 05 15:10:10 <+Skizzerz>    so is that it then?
Apr 05 15:10:11 <Notmyhandle>    image cats are horrible
Apr 05 15:10:27 <+Skizzerz>    Notmyhandle: reply on the forum ;) /me wants this meeting to end
Apr 05 15:10:28 <~Prod>    So with that, I'd like to thank everyone for coming
Apr 05 15:10:40 *    Charitwo has quit (Quit: Connection stolen by peer)
Apr 05 15:10:44 <~Prod>    we've had a great turnout today and lots of stuff discussed :)
Apr 05 15:10:57 <Rhonlore>    sorry i was doing dishes the entire time
Apr 05 15:11:00 <~Prod>    please bring up any concerns on the forums
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