#sw-meeting
.:14·04·51:. «~Prod» @logon
.:14·04·53:. «DeviBOT» The Strategy Wiki Meeting has now started. Everything will be logged in this channel until logoff command has been initiated.
.:14·05·02:. «Procyon» Ah, thanks.
.:14·05·10:. «Procyon» OK, well,
.:14·05·17:. «Procyon» I guess the best way to start this meeting off
.:14·05·24:. «Procyon» is with some very good news,
.:14·05·43:. «Procyon» We had our largest amount of daily visit ever this month.
.:14·05·55:. «Moydow» Fantastic!
.:14·06·23:. «Procyon» We finally broke 70,000 daily hits.
.:14·06·36:. «~Prod» we also had over 2M pageviews this month
.:14·06·44:. «Procyon» Nice ^_^
.:14·07·03:. «~Prod» sorry, that's 2M visits
.:14·07·14:. «~Prod» almost 6M pageviews :P
.:14·07·16:. «Procyon» hehe
.:14·07·28:. «Procyon» even better
.:14·07·50:. «Procyon» And Moydow, I just want to thank you for all the hard work you've been doing patrolling the edits.
.:14·08·01:. «Moydow» No probs. :)
.:14·08·51:. «Procyon» Alright well, should we try to tackle the topics from the July meeting, or go straight to the wiki alliance issue?
.:14·09·05:. «~Prod» well, i'd suggest
.:14·09·07:. «~Prod» to begin
.:14·09·12:. «~Prod» everyone visit the CotM page
.:14·09·13:. «~Prod» and vote :)
.:14·09·26:. «~Prod» we will revisit at the end of the meeting
.:14·09·28:. «Procyon» that works too.
.:14·09·31:. «~Prod» http://strategywiki.org/wiki/StrategyWiki:Collaboration_of_the_Month
.:14·09·40:. «~Prod» any new nominations?
.:14·09·45:. «~Prod» we've only got 3 games there
.:14·10·00:. joins: Notmyhandle (~notmyhand@cleaning.up.your.crap) [7 users]
.:14·10·11:. «Procyon» Umm...
.:14·10·12:. «Procyon» Lemme think
.:14·10·13:. «Procyon» Hey NMH!
.:14·10·14:. «~Prod» (Notmyhandle): http://strategywiki.org/wiki/StrategyWiki:Collaboration_of_the_Month - make your votes
.:14·10·25:. «Notmyhandle» roger that
.:14·10·48:. «Notmyhandle» Thanks for posting on Facebook, I would have missed it.
.:14·11·07:. «~Prod» np :)
.:14·11·36:. «Notmyhandle» Looks like I already voted.
.:14·12·08:. «~Prod» ok, on to the next topics in the thread
.:14·12·22:. «~Prod» i believe that we don't have the main proponent of the keyboard templates
.:14·12·28:. «~Prod» so i'm going to suggest we skip that for now
.:14·12·32:. «~Prod» what do you think Procyon
.:14·12·58:. «Procyon» Agreed,
.:14·13·10:. «Procyon» we need to make sure they show up so we can have an effective debat on it.
.:14·13·13:. «Procyon» debate
.:14·14·04:. «~Prod» the next topic was brought up by Notmyhandle
.:14·14·09:. «Notmyhandle» lol
.:14·14·13:. «~Prod» regarding listing games that belong to a series or company
.:14·14·14:. «~Prod» http://abxy.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=27165
.:14·14·46:. «Notmyhandle» Ah that one
.:14·14·46:. «~Prod» the topic relates to how much info is required on a series or company category page relating to the games they've released
.:14·15·09:. «~Prod» is that right Notmyhandle?
.:14·15·24:. «Notmyhandle» Yeah I can't remember what I was working on at the time
.:14·15·38:. «Notmyhandle» But there was an edit conflict with someone who was removing release dates from the category page
.:14·15·50:. «~Prod» well my view is that the more info the better
.:14·16·18:. «Notmyhandle» I think it's especially important for retconned series' like Castlevania
.:14·16·19:. «Procyon» True,
.:14·16·26:. «~Prod» yea
.:14·16·33:. «Procyon» the more ways we give people to find the games they're looking for, the better.
.:14·16·44:. «Notmyhandle» It's particularly helpful when we editors have to make things like series navs.
.:14·17·00:. «~Prod» however, these are just company/series pages, so they're not really our focus, they're only there to help people find the right game
.:14·17·33:. «Notmyhandle» Right, like I said, it was only an issue because I made it so. Rather than letting the edit happen, I called someone on it.
.:14·17·34:. «Procyon» I think of them as another navigation tool.
.:14·17·49:. «~Prod» for company pages, i think the max should be a brief history of the company and any mergers/acquisitions, maybe lists of subsidiaries (as subcategories potentially)
.:14·18·05:. «~Prod» anything else that should be included?
.:14·18·25:. «Notmyhandle» A games list is also very helpful when continuing the stubbing effort
.:14·18·37:. «Notmyhandle» It allows editors to stick to SW rather than have to re-look up info
.:14·18·47:. «~Prod» ok
.:14·18·51:. «Procyon» But...
.:14·19·09:. «Procyon» the games list should appear organically as the guides populate the category, shouldn't they?
.:14·19·30:. «Notmyhandle» What if someone accidently categorizes a page?
.:14·20·01:. «Procyon» You mean they put the wrong category in by mistake?
.:14·20·09:. «Notmyhandle» Neither listing will be free of errors.
.:14·20·16:. «~Prod» we're going to get a fair bit of redundancy between series and company category pages
.:14·20·27:. «Notmyhandle» Also, cat pages will contain aliases, which is confusing.
.:14·20·27:. «~Prod» though
.:14·20·35:. «~Prod» i guess we just point to the series page for those cases
.:14·20·50:. «Procyon» That's not terrible.  Not to mention some series (a minority, but still) jump companies.
.:14·21·02:. «~Prod» right, that part can be mentioned on the series pages
.:14·21·15:. «~Prod» so i'm thinking that we say, put as much of the info as is within scope on the series page
.:14·21·29:. «~Prod» and on company pages we just point to the relevant series page
.:14·21·45:. «Notmyhandle» Yeah that works.
.:14·21·51:. «Notmyhandle» Company game listings can then be simplified
.:14·21·52:. «Moydow» agreed
.:14·21·53:. «Procyon» Sounds good.
.:14·22·04:. «~Prod» ok
.:14·22·07:. «Procyon» Series can be subcats of companies, right?
.:14·22·12:. «~Prod» so what all is relevant to a series page
.:14·22·13:. «Notmyhandle» yeah
.:14·22·17:. «~Prod» er
.:14·22·27:. «~Prod» i don't think a history is usually relevant
.:14·22·30:. «~Prod» but sometimes necessary
.:14·22·41:. «Notmyhandle» Company page should list individual games and series'. History is nice to show the current status of the company.
.:14·22·49:. «Procyon» lol, it's required for Mega Man ^_^ That series is out of control.
.:14·22·50:. «Notmyhandle» I.e. how it died, who it is merged with, etc.
.:14·23·34:. «~Prod» http://strategywiki.org/wiki/MegaMan
.:14·23·46:. «~Prod» wow, quite the extensive summary :P
.:14·24·18:. «Notmyhandle» Hm.
.:14·24·31:. «Notmyhandle» I like it, but yeah it is large.
.:14·24·35:. «Procyon» That's only the original series.
.:14·24·56:. «~Prod» so what about the game list itself
.:14·25·00:. «~Prod» how much information to include there
.:14·25·45:. «Notmyhandle» I think we removed the listing in place of {{Mega Man}}, but yeah more info would be nice.
.:14·25·50:. «Notmyhandle» Name, Year, Console(s)
.:14·26·07:. «Procyon» Like a table
.:14·26·08:. «~Prod» name and alternate names
.:14·26·16:. «Notmyhandle» Name(s)
.:14·26·17:. «Notmyhandle» aha
.:14·26·29:. «Notmyhandle» Japanese names?
.:14·26·33:. «Notmyhandle» Not necessary
.:14·26·33:. «~Prod» i think not
.:14·26·41:. «Notmyhandle» kk
.:14·26·56:. «~Prod» * Game name (and alternates in different english regions)
.:14·27·18:. «~Prod» ok, massive paste time
.:14·27·22:. «~Prod» Company pages:
.:14·27·22:. «~Prod» * Brief history of the company - especially mergers/acquisitions
.:14·27·22:. «~Prod» * list of subsidiaries
.:14·27·22:. «~Prod» * list of games (unless covered on a series page)
.:14·27·22:. «~Prod» Series pages:
.:14·27·22:. «~Prod» * brief history of the series - only if relevant, potentially backstory if it's a well developed series
.:14·27·23:. «~Prod» * list of games
.:14·27·23:. «~Prod» * list of subseries - optional
.:14·27·23:. «~Prod» Lists of games can include the following information:
.:14·27·23:. «~Prod» * Game name (and alternates in different english regions)
.:14·27·23:. «~Prod» * Release year
.:14·27·23:. «~Prod» * Console it was released on
.:14·27·49:. «~Prod» any changes?
.:14·28·14:. «Procyon» No, sounds good, but,
.:14·28·27:. «Procyon» where is this ^^^ info going?  In the SW Guide?
.:14·28·32:. «~Prod» on the forums
.:14·28·39:. «~Prod» as a response before it's archived
.:14·29·00:. «~Prod» it's not something that really needs a policy
.:14·29·04:. «~Prod» but having a guideline is good
.:14·29·04:. «Procyon» OK, sounds good.
.:14·29·21:. «Notmyhandle» If we don't have it somewhere on the site, how are we going to remember the resolution?
.:14·30·01:. «Procyon» Prod is saying he will add it to the forums,
.:14·30·02:. «Procyon» but I agree,
.:14·30·05:. «~Prod» it's in the archived discussions
.:14·30·12:. «Procyon» that won't necessarily be checked by new users.
.:14·30·17:. «Notmyhandle» Right
.:14·30·29:. «~Prod» right, but it's a more pedantic topic (no offense :P)
.:14·30·36:. «Procyon» lol
.:14·30·42:. «Notmyhandle» haha
.:14·30·53:. «Procyon» In other words, sysops can manage those pages.
.:14·30·56:. «~Prod» exactly
.:14·31·12:. «Procyon» OK, what's next?
.:14·31·19:. «~Prod» someone can add it into a page somewhere if they want, but i don't think it's necessary
.:14·31·26:. «Notmyhandle» k
.:14·31·31:. «~Prod» another of Notmyhandle's topics :)
.:14·31·35:. «~Prod» http://abxy.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=27166
.:14·31·39:. «~Prod» how to categorize series logos
.:14·31·43:. «Procyon» Ah
.:14·31·46:. «Notmyhandle» Always the trouble maker
.:14·31·50:. «~Prod» :D
.:14·32·08:. «Notmyhandle» lol what a simple forum thread
.:14·32·30:. «~Prod» the thread is simple, the resolution probably won't be
.:14·32·31:. «~Prod» any ideas?
.:14·32·32:. «Procyon» haha
.:14·33·09:. «Procyon» [[Category:Artwork]] is the simple answer.
.:14·33·11:. «Notmyhandle» we currently have it as Artwork and Game series cat
.:14·33·15:. «Procyon» Now we can pick that apart.
.:14·33·26:. «~Prod» game series cat?
.:14·33·42:. «Notmyhandle» Maybe this is where it gets ugly
.:14·33·57:. «Notmyhandle» A lot of them have [[Category:Game Specific images]] as a cat
.:14·34·10:. «~Prod» :(
.:14·34·16:. «~Prod» though they aren't really game specific :P
.:14·34·20:. «Notmyhandle» Right
.:14·34·24:. «Procyon» exactly
.:14·34·27:. «Notmyhandle» And we don't have series image cats
.:14·34·38:. «~Prod» i would think we can postpone this topic until we get rid of [[Category:Artwork]]
.:14·34·43:. «Notmyhandle» http://strategywiki.org/wiki/File:Castlevania_logo.jpg currently has [[Category:Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow images]]
.:14·35·09:. «~Prod» well, are those really series images?
.:14·35·16:. «~Prod» aren't they just taken from one of the games usually?
.:14·35·31:. «Notmyhandle» It's the logo!
.:14·35·36:. «Notmyhandle» But yes, typically
.:14·35·36:. «~Prod» for the game?
.:14·35·41:. «~Prod» not the series
.:14·35·45:. «~Prod» who really makes "series" logos
.:14·36·07:. «Notmyhandle» Your right, that text isn't from a lot of the games.
.:14·36·08:. «~Prod» http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Pokemon
.:14·36·15:. «~Prod» except for pokemon :P
.:14·36·57:. «Notmyhandle» I think there are two castlevania text logos, the first seen here: http://strategywiki.org/wiki/File:NES_Castlevania_Box.jpg
.:14·37·00:. «~Prod» an ugly hack would be we just categorize them as the series cat
.:14·37·20:. «~Prod» but perhaps they can just be considered [[Category:Strategywiki images]]
.:14·37·24:. «~Prod» or
.:14·37·31:. «~Prod» [[Category:Series images]]
.:14·37·39:. «Notmyhandle» yeah that's what I was thinking of
.:14·37·47:. «Procyon» I'm cool with the second.
.:14·38·02:. «~Prod» [[Category:Series images]]?
.:14·38·10:. «Notmyhandle» yes
.:14·38·15:. «~Prod» (Moydow): thoughts?
.:14·38·21:. «Moydow» might be better than simply [[Category:Logos]].
.:14·38·36:. «Notmyhandle» Which is for company logos
.:14·38·37:. «Procyon» That's not terrible...
.:14·38·49:. «Procyon» Doesn't have to be... does it?
.:14·38·50:. «Notmyhandle» But, we could do it that way
.:14·38·51:. «Moydow» since there are more than likely series-common images other than logos.
.:14·38·55:. «Notmyhandle» It's currently ambiguous
.:14·38·56:. «~Prod» http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Category:Company_logos
.:14·39·05:. «Notmyhandle» Oh
.:14·39·19:. «Notmyhandle» Lol duplications!
.:14·39·28:. «~Prod» Category:Logos doesn't exist
.:14·39·44:. «Notmyhandle» Oh, Moydow confused me xD
.:14·39·51:. «Moydow» bah
.:14·39·53:. «~Prod» so [[Category:Series images]]? It'll be not just for logos
.:14·40·03:. «Notmyhandle» Category Logos would work as a catch-all
.:14·40·05:. «~Prod» but for any types of images that aren't specific to game or company
.:14·40·20:. «Notmyhandle» Right
.:14·40·25:. «Notmyhandle» I think that would work better
.:14·40·25:. «~Prod» and we can categorize it as [[Category:Artwork]]
.:14·40·44:. «~Prod» so, who would like to create the category and have their name immortalized?!
.:14·40·56:. «Procyon» lol
.:14·41·28:. «~Prod» FOREVAR!!!!!!
.:14·41·28:. «Notmyhandle» done
.:14·41·33:. «Notmyhandle» MWAHAHAHAHAHHAA
.:14·41·43:. «~Prod» ok
.:14·41·51:. «Procyon» ^_^
.:14·41·52:. «Jon» :D
.:14·43·14:. «~Prod» ok, so last topic on our docket for the moment
.:14·43·17:. «~Prod» is the wiki alliance
.:14·43·25:. «Procyon» (before we pick the bounties)
.:14·43·29:. «~Prod» right
.:14·43·37:. «~Prod» http://abxy.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=27174
.:14·43·47:. «~Prod» essentially there are a bunch of wikis
.:14·43·51:. «~Prod» a few we are already partners with
.:14·44·00:. «~Prod» who have created a nintendo wiki alliance
.:14·44·07:. «~Prod» they work together to promote nintendo games
.:14·44·12:. «~Prod» through their fan based wikis
.:14·44·21:. «~Prod» where they essentially go into detail about all the series relevant info
.:14·44·27:. «~Prod» such as the kirby wiki
.:14·44·30:. «~Prod» the zelda wiki
.:14·44·40:. «~Prod» metroid wiki
.:14·44·40:. «~Prod» etc
.:14·44·57:. «Procyon» (these, by the way, are the model for what I had in mind for gamewiki.com)
.:14·45·11:. «~Prod» right, except far more specialized
.:14·45·11:. «Moydow» ??
.:14·45·20:. «Procyon» true
.:14·45·27:. «Procyon» had -> have
.:14·45·49:. «~Prod» so, as moydow brought up in the last post
.:14·46·05:. «~Prod» we wouldn't want this to get in our way of becoming the central repository for video game walkthroughs
.:14·46·31:. «~Prod» but a lot of us are nintendo fanbois (and girls)
.:14·47·11:. «Procyon» lol
.:14·47·12:. «~Prod» and as axiomist mentioned
.:14·47·14:. «~Prod» I feared some one may get the idea to create a Nintendo specific walkthrough wiki. So I thought that if we could just add SW as a member, we could nix that idea before it's proposed.
.:14·47·14:. «Notmyhandle» I don't see how it would. It just looks like additional exposure for us.
.:14·47·38:. «Procyon» Well, I think it's a question of dedication.
.:14·47·54:. «Procyon» Guide writers tend to have different motivations that "universe detailers"
.:14·48·13:. «~Prod» yea, though we do have some bits of universe detail that is required
.:14·48·14:. «Notmyhandle» Well that's a personal problem xD
.:14·48·19:. «Procyon» That's why we haven't attracted too many of the second variety.
.:14·48·31:. «~Prod» like hitpoints and elemental resistances and the ways the maps link together
.:14·48·58:. «Notmyhandle» Well "Story" seems to be the main fanboy content
.:14·49·15:. «~Prod» i think the partnership works well between us and our current NWA partners, so i'm in favour of it
.:14·49·20:. «Notmyhandle» Anways, I don't see an issue with making additional "alliances"
.:14·50·07:. «~Prod» well, anyone see any negatives to joining this?
.:14·50·16:. «~Prod» (assuming none of them start writing walkthroughs)
.:14·50·40:. «Procyon» I don't see any negatives.
.:14·50·51:. «~Prod» Notmyhandle? Moydow?
.:14·50·56:. «~Prod» Jon? ashley?
.:14·51·07:. «Moydow» I proposed it, so I am obviously in favour.
.:14·51·11:. «~Prod» :D
.:14·51·14:. «Notmyhandle» No
.:14·51·23:. «Jon» I think it sounds great. More exposure, etc.
.:14·51·38:. «Notmyhandle» A sound partnership, me thinks.
.:14·52·16:. «~Prod» ok
.:14·52·50:. «Procyon» Yeah, I'm cool with that.
.:14·52·51:. «Jon» Umm be right back.
.:14·52·53:. «~Prod» ok, i'll see if i can put a reply together and see if we can get this moved forward
.:14·53·02:. «Procyon» Are we ready to pick the bounties?
.:14·53·17:. «~Prod» sounds like the right time to me :D
.:14·53·24:. «Procyon» Awesome
.:14·53·51:. «Procyon» Let's be honest, Maple Story will never be a bounty,
.:14·53·57:. «Procyon» unless maybe a new expansion is due to arrive...
.:14·54·03:. «Moydow» Be right back
.:14·54·12:. «Procyon» SC2 was this months bounty,
.:14·54·24:. «~Prod» well, with MS, there is the new big bang release
.:14·54·31:. «~Prod» but it's not on the english servers yet
.:14·54·33:. «~Prod» so too early
.:14·54·53:. «Procyon» By the looks of it, Baejung92 was the only contributor this month.
.:14·55·26:. «Procyon» Torchlight and M&B were also already bounties...
.:14·55·36:. «Procyon» Do we mind repeating bounties?
.:14·55·46:. «Procyon» And if not, do we mind repeating any consecutively?
.:14·55·49:. «~Prod» for now, i think it's fine
.:14·55·50:. «Procyon» Starts to look a little silly...
.:14·56·03:. «~Prod» well, what are we thinking for bounties?
.:14·56·04:. «Procyon» Civ IV was a bust,
.:14·56·25:. «Procyon» In terms of what?
.:14·57·29:. «~Prod» what are our top options for bounties?
.:14·57·37:. «~Prod» we may want to consider only doing 2
.:14·57·44:. «Procyon» Hmm...
.:14·57·59:. «Procyon» I dunno, I think keeping the bounties broad was a good idea.
.:14·58·09:. «Procyon» doing only 2 limits how many people can participate.
.:14·58·18:. «Moydow» true
.:14·58·41:. «~Prod» as we're approaching our 1 hour allocation
.:14·58·50:. «~Prod» i'll suggest we take this to a separate discussion
.:14·58·55:. «~Prod» and just finish off the CotM
.:14·59·17:. «~Prod» (Moydow): i don't see any votes from you ;)
.:14·59·25:. «~Prod» same with Jon
.:14·59·37:. «Notmyhandle» *crossing my fingers for the game I can work on*
.:14·59·39:. * Moydow proceeds to vote
.:14·59·53:. «~Prod» (Moydow): new game, or vote for a current?
.:14·59·53:. «Procyon» hehe,
.:15·00·14:. «Procyon» Actually,
.:15·00·28:. «Procyon» I've seen that user SuperpoweredMario working on the Megaman Zero 2 guide...
.:15·00·37:. «Procyon» Seems like there's some momentum behind it.
.:15·01·40:. «Procyon» Any thoughts?
.:15·01·57:. «~Prod» i'd say put up a vote for it
.:15·02·01:. «~Prod» or rather nominate it
.:15·02·04:. «Moydow» I would say Mario Tennis, but my Wii's in Germany for repairs, so no content from me for a while. :(
.:15·02·15:. «Procyon» doh!
.:15·02·33:. «~Prod» ok
.:15·02·37:. «~Prod» so it looks like it's going to be Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: The Crystal Bearers
.:15·02·44:. «~Prod» we'll have that set up as the CotM for this month
.:15·02·59:. «Procyon» That's fine with me.
.:15·03·00:. «~Prod» everyone please nominate some other games for the next vote :)
.:15·03·32:. «Procyon» Alright,
.:15·03·35:. «Procyon» thanks guys,
.:15·03·42:. «Procyon» I really appreciate you showing up.
.:15·03·49:. «Procyon» We'll have to nag the other guys a little more.
.:15·04·01:. «Procyon» Sept. 25th is the next meeting.
.:15·04·09:. «Procyon» We'll have it marked on the Google calendar,
.:15·04·14:. «Procyon» but we'll post it on Facebook as well.
.:15·04·23:. «~Prod» and there will be a new forum thread
.:15·04·31:. «Moydow» does anyone actually look at the noticeboard? I wrote on it several times.
.:15·04·32:. «~Prod» please propose any topics for next meeting
.:15·04·32:. «Procyon» Sysops, PLEASE keep using the FB and Twitter feeds.
.:15·04·38:. «~Prod» (Moydow): i do :D
.:15·04·41:. «Procyon» I do
.:15·04·55:. «Procyon» But yeah it is a little neglected.
.:15·05·05:. «Notmyhandle» I don't really check SW much right now, so FB is very helpful.
.:15·05·06:. «Procyon» OK, unfortunately I must run.
.:15·05·15:. «Procyon» NMH: We miss you :(
.:15·05·24:. «Notmyhandle» I come and go =)
.:15·05·28:. «~Prod» Thanks everyone, see you next time
.:15·05·29:. «Notmyhandle» Like ZEH WIND
.:15·05·32:. «Procyon» lol