2009-01-03T11:02:07  <Procyon> OK, I'll go ahead and get started, and ppl can catch up as then tune in.
2009-01-03T11:02:15  <Procyon> I don't really have a long preamble this time around.
2009-01-03T11:02:39  <Procyon> Some people know about this already, but for those who don't,
2009-01-03T11:02:45  *** Prod[a] is now known as Prod
2009-01-03T11:02:57  <Procyon> I had a follow up conversation with GamerDNA about forming a tighter integration between our two sites.
2009-01-03T11:03:17  <Procyon> Ultimately, after conferring with many of you and getting your opinions and thoughts,
2009-01-03T11:03:37  <Procyon> I concluded that the loss of our brand and identity was too high a cost for potential increased revenue and traffic.
2009-01-03T11:04:00  <Procyon> They understood and appreciated my honesty, and are still very much looking forward to forming more associations with us.
2009-01-03T11:04:20  <Procyon> One thing they are very keen to try out (besides the openID thing, which they ask about every single time)
2009-01-03T11:04:35  <Procyon> is a game purchase click through operation,
2009-01-03T11:05:06  <Procyon> where a reader might be able to purchase the game they are reading about (which is a bit odd for us, since most of our visitors presumably already have the game and are looking for info)
2009-01-03T11:05:27  <Teddy> Yeah, that seems like more of a functionality for vgopedia...
2009-01-03T11:05:27  <Skizzerz> might be useful for vgopedia though
2009-01-03T11:05:34  <ness> Agreed.
2009-01-03T11:05:35  <Skizzerz> grr... Teddy beat me to it :P
2009-01-03T11:05:36  <Procyon> But still, it's potential added revenue, and it doesn't come at the cost of our own control.
2009-01-03T11:05:39  <Procyon> Absolutely,
2009-01-03T11:05:53  <Procyon> That was one of the things I asked about when I spoke with GamerDNA;
2009-01-03T11:06:06  <Procyon> would be be able to upgrade and implement new features whenever we wanted,
2009-01-03T11:06:18  <Procyon> and the answer wasn't quite yes, but definitely not no.
2009-01-03T11:06:22  <Procyon> The bottom line is
2009-01-03T11:06:46  <Procyon> I couldn't see sacrificing our ability to maintain the site the way we do, when I think, quite frankly, that we do an awesome job.,
2009-01-03T11:06:54  <Procyon> So with that said,
2009-01-03T11:07:17  <Procyon> Let's kick it over to the first topic on the agenda, which I know is a hot one, especially lately.
2009-01-03T11:07:40  <Procyon> Oh, no, not quite, but tangential to the one I was thinking of.
2009-01-03T11:07:46  <DrBob> re. Click-through purchases: I'd be OK with it, but we should feel obliged to point out our concerns to them about it being pointless
2009-01-03T11:07:50  <Skizzerz> Prod: you there?
2009-01-03T11:08:03  <Procyon> Restricting page moving to autoconfirmed-users only (and discussion on the age/edit count required to become autoconfirmed).
2009-01-03T11:08:06  <Prod> yep
2009-01-03T11:08:21  <Skizzerz> k, I know you already did something along these lines, care to explain? :)
2009-01-03T11:08:26  <Procyon> DrBob: Not entirely, I could see someone checking out a game on SW before they buy it... just to kind of get a feel for it, you know?
2009-01-03T11:08:42  <DrBob> hmmm…OK
2009-01-03T11:08:45  <Garrett> especially since demos are so rare now >_>
2009-01-03T11:08:58  <Procyon> true
2009-01-03T11:09:11  <Procyon> Go ahead Prod.
2009-01-03T11:09:31  <ness> I could see that being true, Procyon, maybe when our Google listings are pretty high up, and people click on us to see what the game's like. But I'm not sure if that's true at our current size.
2009-01-03T11:09:52  <Prod> Skizzerz and I had discussed earlier about configuring the user group auto-confirmed
2009-01-03T11:09:53  <ness> If not true, at least noticeably common.
2009-01-03T11:10:00  <Procyon> ness: I agree with you on that point.  Hopefully, it's something we can grow into.
2009-01-03T11:10:13  <Prod> something we will * ;)
2009-01-03T11:10:20  <ness> Sounds good.
2009-01-03T11:10:33  <Garrett> how would this be implemented?
2009-01-03T11:11:06  <Procyon> Garrett: I'm not sure they have the entire plan designed.  They keep mentioning GamerDNA widgets that alliance sites could add.
2009-01-03T11:11:29  <Procyon> They are, if nothing else, very ambitious with their plans.
2009-01-03T11:12:05  <Procyon> Prod, what were you saying?
2009-01-03T11:12:19  <Prod> ok, so essentially we were discussing the autoconfirmed group
2009-01-03T11:12:36  <Prod> when a user joins the site, they are automatically added to the user group
2009-01-03T11:12:52  <Prod> after a specified time, they are added to the autoconfirmed gropu as well
2009-01-03T11:13:06  <Skizzerz> *specified time and/or edit count
2009-01-03T11:13:34  <Prod> right now, we hadn't configured anything
2009-01-03T11:13:45  <Prod> so it was 0 days and 0 edits (like Skizzerz mentioned)
2009-01-03T11:14:03  <ness> Ah.
2009-01-03T11:14:11  <Prod> so about 3 or 4 days ago
2009-01-03T11:14:17  <Prod> we had a user which many people know about
2009-01-03T11:14:28  <Prod> decided to start moving around pages and essentially vandalize
2009-01-03T11:14:52  <Prod> he was blocked and the mess cleaned up (thanks to the sysops who took care of that ;))
2009-01-03T11:15:04  <Prod> then a few hours later, with new accounts and i'd assume from a new location
2009-01-03T11:15:06  <Prod> he started again
2009-01-03T11:15:22  <Prod> in respose, I enabled the autoconfirmed group
2009-01-03T11:15:47  <Prod> however, now we need to decide on wheter we're going to keep it, what permissions it will give, and what limits to set for days and edit counts
2009-01-03T11:15:53  <Prod> so first off
2009-01-03T11:15:58  <Prod> should we keep it enabled?
2009-01-03T11:16:25  * Skizzerz thinks we should -- at the very least it makes the use of Nuke more effective in cleaning up vandal attacks
2009-01-03T11:16:32  <Procyon> agreed
2009-01-03T11:16:37  * DrBob agrees
2009-01-03T11:16:44  <Prod> anyone against?
2009-01-03T11:16:46  * Rocky agrees
2009-01-03T11:17:18  <Procyon> I think that's a go ;)
2009-01-03T11:17:20  <Prod> ok
2009-01-03T11:17:39  <Prod> the next two go hand in hand
2009-01-03T11:17:46  <Prod> what permissions and how long should someone have to wait
2009-01-03T11:17:51  <Prod> i'm going to go over permissions first
2009-01-03T11:18:10  <Prod> default rights for each group can be found here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights#Default_rights
2009-01-03T11:18:31  <Prod> any anonymous user gets the stuff under "*"
2009-01-03T11:18:41  <Prod> registered users get "user"
2009-01-03T11:18:43  <Garrett> it lessened the damage of day three of MrSue's latest visit, so it's clearly working.
2009-01-03T11:18:53  <Prod> (Garrett): good to know :D
2009-01-03T11:19:06  <Prod> once a user becomes autoconfirmed, they get both user and autoconfirmed
2009-01-03T11:19:16  <Garrett> he even created an account called "Where are the pagemoves" :D
2009-01-03T11:19:17  <Procyon> Yeah, I loved the username "Where is movepage"
2009-01-03T11:19:28  <Prod> and from there you essentially add permissions
2009-01-03T11:19:29  <Prod> LOL!
2009-01-03T11:19:34  <Prod> Awesome!
2009-01-03T11:19:46  <Procyon> And of all people, he asked Skizzerz.
2009-01-03T11:19:50  <Prod> :D
2009-01-03T11:19:53  <Skizzerz> :P
2009-01-03T11:19:57  <DrBob> *sigh*
2009-01-03T11:20:05  <Skizzerz> anyway, back on-topic
2009-01-03T11:20:18  <Prod> comparing to the default settings
2009-01-03T11:20:25  <Prod> we have overridden some of them to be more granular
2009-01-03T11:20:38  <Prod> we've kept essentially the same settings for anonmyous users
2009-01-03T11:21:01  <Skizzerz> (note: our current config is available at http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Special:ListGroupRights )
2009-01-03T11:21:13  <Procyon> Thanks Skiz
2009-01-03T11:22:01  <Prod> any changes suggested?
2009-01-03T11:22:04  <Skizzerz> basically the main change is that pagemove-related rights were disabled for user and enabled for autoconfirmed
2009-01-03T11:22:15  * DrBob agrees
2009-01-03T11:22:22  <Procyon> My only question is what are the current settings for autoconfirmed?
2009-01-03T11:22:22  <Skizzerz> I think we should also disable skipcaptcha for user, so that new accounts need to pass captchas as well
2009-01-03T11:22:41  <Procyon> That is...
2009-01-03T11:22:47  <Procyon> when does autoconfirmed kick in?
2009-01-03T11:23:17  <Prod> we can decide
2009-01-03T11:23:22  <Prod> after we go over permissions
2009-01-03T11:23:22  <DrBob> Skizzerz: When would they get given captchas?
2009-01-03T11:23:30  <Procyon> ok
2009-01-03T11:23:31  <Skizzerz> adding new urls to pages, mainly
2009-01-03T11:23:45  <DrBob> Fair enough
2009-01-03T11:24:12  <Procyon> I'm good with the permissions.
2009-01-03T11:24:36  <Prod> (Skizzerz): what's the permission name? skipcaptcha?
2009-01-03T11:24:40  <Skizzerz> yes
2009-01-03T11:24:50  <Prod> $wgGroupPermissions['user' ]['skipcaptcha'] = false;
2009-01-03T11:24:52  <Skizzerz> you've already set it for autoconfirmed, just haven't removed it from user
2009-01-03T11:25:00  <Skizzerz> ListGroupRights seems to say otherwise
2009-01-03T11:25:20  <Prod> that's what I'm wondering :/
2009-01-03T11:25:22  <Skizzerz> make sure it's after the require_once call to reccaptcha
2009-01-03T11:25:25  <Skizzerz> and not before
2009-01-03T11:25:56  <Prod> in that case we'll have to discuss this
2009-01-03T11:26:01  <Prod> anywayz
2009-01-03T11:26:10  <Prod> any other changes people want?
2009-01-03T11:26:21  <Skizzerz> other than that, I think the permissions are good
2009-01-03T11:26:27  * Prod agrees
2009-01-03T11:26:29  <Prod> anyone else?
2009-01-03T11:26:37  <Procyon> I have no suggestions.
2009-01-03T11:27:15  <Prod> ok, so then on to the time limits
2009-01-03T11:27:28  <Prod> and edit limits
2009-01-03T11:27:37  <Procyon> That's a tough one.
2009-01-03T11:27:53  <Rocky> Do the edits have to be in the mainspace?
2009-01-03T11:27:58  <Procyon> Do we have examples of other sites that use them and what they are usually set to?
2009-01-03T11:27:59  <Prod> no
2009-01-03T11:28:02  <Skizzerz> Rocky: no, total edits
2009-01-03T11:28:06  <Prod> i've copied wikipedia for the moment
2009-01-03T11:28:10  <Prod> $wgAutoConfirmAge = 3600*24*4; // four days
2009-01-03T11:28:10  <Prod> $wgAutoConfirmCount = 10; // 10 edits
2009-01-03T11:28:16  <Procyon> Ah
2009-01-03T11:29:16  <Prod> anyone think we should deviate?
2009-01-03T11:29:38  <Procyon> Well, if it works for them, I don't see why it wouldn't be a good starting point for us.
2009-01-03T11:29:47  <Procyon> we can always reevaluate at a later date.
2009-01-03T11:29:51  <Prod> yep
2009-01-03T11:29:57  <Prod> well, that's all for autoconfirmed then
2009-01-03T11:30:05  <Prod> unless anyone has something they'd like to bring up?
2009-01-03T11:30:25  <Procyon> OK, terrific.  I'd like to deviate from the agenda a moment and dovetail into the topic that Prod brought up in the forum, concerning MrSue.
2009-01-03T11:31:08  <Procyon> As Prod said before, I want to thank everyone for their diligence and hard work to not only thwart his attempts, but also to clean up the logs from some of the more embarrassing crap that he left behind.
2009-01-03T11:31:23  <Procyon> I wanted to acknowledge NMH as well, but he's not here :(
2009-01-03T11:31:40  <Procyon> Anyway, would anyone like to address this topic specifically with any thoughts or concerns?
2009-01-03T11:31:54  <Prod> if this doesn't get rid of him
2009-01-03T11:32:01  <Prod> we may have to resort to legal action
2009-01-03T11:32:32  <Procyon> I was thinking about that, but I can't tell how that would take place.
2009-01-03T11:32:33  <Teddy> or just legal threat :P
2009-01-03T11:32:43  <Prod> and that
2009-01-03T11:32:50  <Procyon> He's too stupid to take the threat seriously
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2009-01-03T11:32:53  <Prod> takes us to our next topic
2009-01-03T11:32:57  <Prod> CheckUser
2009-01-03T11:33:03  <Prod> essentially
2009-01-03T11:33:08  <Prod> we'd have to contact his ISP
2009-01-03T11:33:24  *** DrBob has joined #SW-Meeting
2009-01-03T11:33:46  <Procyon> (Or the Canadian consult...)
2009-01-03T11:33:59  <Prod> not sure if he's canadian
2009-01-03T11:34:08  <Procyon> lol, they could probably arrest him on terrorist threats to Canada.
2009-01-03T11:34:13  <Prod> lol
2009-01-03T11:34:14  <Prod> yea
2009-01-03T11:34:15  <Procyon> No, I'm sure he's not.  I'm just saying.
2009-01-03T11:34:37  <Prod> but essentially
2009-01-03T11:34:41  <Prod> we need to find his IPs
2009-01-03T11:34:48  <Prod> and that comes from checkuser
2009-01-03T11:34:56  <Prod> which is essentially a huge privacy impact
2009-01-03T11:35:12  <Prod> we tried enabling checkuser before, but for some reason it didn't work properly
2009-01-03T11:35:20  <Prod> so we are planning on trying again
2009-01-03T11:35:39  <Prod> and it theoretically shouldn't have any problems
2009-01-03T11:36:00  <Prod> the difficulty is coming up with a policy of who gets access and who doesn't
2009-01-03T11:36:10  <Prod> i'm not comfortable giving all bcrats or all sysops access
2009-01-03T11:36:22  <Prod> we need a separate checkuser group
2009-01-03T11:36:34  <Prod> so the question is, how many people, and who specifically should be given the permission
2009-01-03T11:36:42  <Prod> and should it be enabled permanently
2009-01-03T11:36:50  <Prod> or just until we get rid of this repetitive vandal
2009-01-03T11:37:02  <Skizzerz> well, we'd need at least 2 people to have the right, just so they can view each other's actions
2009-01-03T11:37:48  <Procyon> Would this be more easily dealt with if I just made some kind of executive decision on it?
2009-01-03T11:38:08  <Prod> i think this is a community thing
2009-01-03T11:38:13  <Procyon> Because unless anyone here is like, dying for this ability,
2009-01-03T11:38:16  <Prod> cause it's everyone's privacy that will be invaded
2009-01-03T11:38:29  <Prod> but we're coming to a decisino by the end of this meeting I believe :P
2009-01-03T11:38:30  <Skizzerz> s/will be/has the potential to be/
2009-01-03T11:38:37  <Procyon> I don't think anyone really wants that responsibility.
2009-01-03T11:39:19  <Prod> we can decide on the framework of the policy now
2009-01-03T11:39:27  <Skizzerz> well, I have a framework written already
2009-01-03T11:39:30  <Prod> but we won't be giving anyone the permission for at least a few weeks
2009-01-03T11:39:32  <Skizzerz> needs updating
2009-01-03T11:39:36  <Prod> ah yes
2009-01-03T11:40:01  <Prod> it's in the Guide
2009-01-03T11:40:34  <Prod> http://strategywiki.org/wiki/StrategyWiki:Guide/CheckUser_policy
2009-01-03T11:41:14  <Skizzerz> yeah, needs to be reworded a bit, since not all bcrats will have it
2009-01-03T11:41:33  <Prod> so, should we stick to wp policy and limit to 2 people?
2009-01-03T11:41:51  <Prod> i'm actually thinking 3 people might be better
2009-01-03T11:41:55  <Skizzerz> I believe wp policy is 2+
2009-01-03T11:41:56  <Procyon> Seems acceptible to me.
2009-01-03T11:42:01  <Skizzerz> not exactly 2
2009-01-03T11:42:11  <Prod> maybe i'm thinking wikibooks :P
2009-01-03T11:42:28  <Skizzerz> it's a wikimedia foundation policy, actually
2009-01-03T11:42:30  <Prod> either way, should we begin with 3?
2009-01-03T11:42:33  <Skizzerz> not local to a specific project
2009-01-03T11:42:36  <Skizzerz> 3 sounds find
2009-01-03T11:42:38  <Skizzerz> *fine
2009-01-03T11:42:43  <Prod> any objections?
2009-01-03T11:42:52  <Skizzerz> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CheckUser_policy is the wmf policy
2009-01-03T11:43:08  <Procyon> I have none
2009-01-03T11:43:23  <Prod> ok, so we'll get it ready
2009-01-03T11:43:26  <Prod> and at the next meeting
2009-01-03T11:43:34  <Prod> we'll figure out who specifically to give permissions to
2009-01-03T11:43:49  <Prod> and we'll also have to upgrade our request for permissions to accomodate checkuser
2009-01-03T11:44:18  <Procyon> hmm...
2009-01-03T11:44:21  <Procyon> I dunno about that.
2009-01-03T11:44:29  <Prod> which part?
2009-01-03T11:44:40  <Procyon> Then you get into situations where someone will request for permission, and be rejected.
2009-01-03T11:44:50  <Prod> yes
2009-01-03T11:44:58  <Procyon> If we know it will only be roughly three people,
2009-01-03T11:45:10  <Procyon> then I think these meetings should suffice as enough of a forum for that vote.
2009-01-03T11:45:36  <Prod> perhaps as a quick way to get through it
2009-01-03T11:45:54  <Prod> but the wiki allows everyone to get their views in about the person
2009-01-03T11:46:00  <Prod> even if they aren't able to attend the meeting
2009-01-03T11:46:29  <Procyon> I suppose
2009-01-03T11:47:05  <Procyon> Alright, well,
2009-01-03T11:47:15  <Procyon> let's revisit this next meeting and see where we are.
2009-01-03T11:47:17  <Prod> i'll get checkuser installed in the next week or two
2009-01-03T11:47:26  <Procyon> Awesome.
2009-01-03T11:47:28  <Prod> along with the 1.13.3 upgrade
2009-01-03T11:47:46  <Procyon> So the next topic is one that I'm obviously very excited about ^_^
2009-01-03T11:47:48  <Prod> need to do a database backup before both
2009-01-03T11:48:07  <Procyon> And I'm really happy to see that some of you also seem excited about it too :)
2009-01-03T11:48:27  <Procyon> Concerning the second wiki, if everyone hasn't noticed yet,
2009-01-03T11:48:35  <Procyon> Prod has created a new subforum dedicated to it.
2009-01-03T11:48:50  <Procyon> We have essentially opened dialogues about the name and the scope.
2009-01-03T11:49:03  <Procyon> If anyone here hasn't read it and/or commented on it,
2009-01-03T11:49:10  <Procyon> I invite you to do so.
2009-01-03T11:49:49  <Procyon> That said, we have reserved vgopedia.org (and .com for redirect), so that's pretty much settled.
2009-01-03T11:49:53  <Garrett> vgopedia sucks :P
2009-01-03T11:49:59  <Garrett> honestly.
2009-01-03T11:49:59  <Procyon> :(
2009-01-03T11:50:09  <Garrett> I know your options are limited, but still...
2009-01-03T11:50:18  <Garrett> I wonder how many people would be turned away just by the lame name
2009-01-03T11:50:29  <Procyon> Well, that's why we were hoping someone might come up with a better alternative,
2009-01-03T11:50:31  <Procyon> but noone did.
2009-01-03T11:50:35  <Garrett> >_>
2009-01-03T11:50:37  <Garrett> <_<
2009-01-03T11:50:38  <Garrett> >_<
2009-01-03T11:50:50  <Procyon> I kind of doubt that people will choose not to go to a site cuz of the name.
2009-01-03T11:51:00  <Procyon> I mean, the hope is that it ends up in ppl's Google searches.
2009-01-03T11:51:03  <Prod> if you have any better suggestions.....we may still be able to consider them ;) ;)
2009-01-03T11:51:06  <Prod> though we'd prefer not to
2009-01-03T11:51:39  <Procyon> They'll go there if Google says that vgopedia has info on what they're looking for, they're not likely to look at the URL and say "vgopedia?  I'm not going to go there."
2009-01-03T11:52:14  <Procyon> I think a big bit of decision making concerns patrolling of edits.
2009-01-03T11:52:28  <Procyon> I do not want everyone here to feel that they are responsible for patrolling vgopedia edits.
2009-01-03T11:52:30  <Procyon> You're not.
2009-01-03T11:52:40  <Prod> anyone *
2009-01-03T11:52:40  <Procyon> You're more than welcome to of course.
2009-01-03T11:52:55  <Procyon> Yes, thanks.
2009-01-03T11:52:58  <Prod> vgopedia is considered a separate site as much as abxy is
2009-01-03T11:53:04  <Procyon> Exactly,
2009-01-03T11:53:14  <Procyon> and in all likelihood, it may build up it's own community.
2009-01-03T11:53:29  <Procyon> My hope is that it will, with many members cross populated between both wikis.
2009-01-03T11:53:57  <Procyon> And obviously, Teddy is central to unifying the identities of the two sites by creating a similar look across both of them.
2009-01-03T11:54:25  <Prod> (Skizzerz): we'll also have to talk about the image/user syncronization
2009-01-03T11:54:32  <Skizzerz> ok
2009-01-03T11:54:33  <Prod> that post you put up looks complicated
2009-01-03T11:54:36  <Procyon> Another thing that needs to be said is that the content guidelines for vgopedia are meant to remain a bit looser that SWs.
2009-01-03T11:54:42  <Skizzerz> it really isn't
2009-01-03T11:54:54  <Prod> we'll chat after ;)
2009-01-03T11:55:09  <Procyon> However, it would still be nice to create some good policies for vgopedia articles,
2009-01-03T11:55:33  <Procyon> but I imagine that will take place and evolve organically just as Header Nav, Footer Nav, and Continue Nav did.
2009-01-03T11:55:53  <Procyon> Does anyone have any thoughts about vgopedia that they'd like to share now?
2009-01-03T11:56:00  <Procyon> Any comments are welcome.
2009-01-03T11:56:33  <Procyon> If not, then we can open the floor to any remaining concerns.
2009-01-03T11:56:38  <Prod> what's the capitalization for vgopedia?
2009-01-03T11:56:40  <Prod> VGopedia?
2009-01-03T11:56:44  <Prod> VGoPedia?
2009-01-03T11:57:01  <Garrett> <_<
2009-01-03T11:57:02  <Procyon> I'm partial to VGopedia
2009-01-03T11:57:18  * DrBob has to go and eat now, but will look over the logs and forum topics later on
2009-01-03T11:57:22  *** DrBob is now known as DrBob_away
2009-01-03T11:57:25  <Procyon> lol, what Garrett? :)
2009-01-03T11:57:34  <Prod> VGopedia it is :)
2009-01-03T11:58:02  <Procyon> Garrett, seriously, you know that I value your opinions, what's on your mind?
2009-01-03T11:58:17  <Garrett> the name still sucks, that's all, :/
2009-01-03T11:58:27  <Garrett> vgpedia.com is taken, unfortunately.
2009-01-03T11:58:35  <Prod> yea
2009-01-03T11:58:43  <Procyon> Yeah, we checked that
2009-01-03T11:58:55  <Procyon> And you know we had the unfortunate meeting with the owner gamewiki.com
2009-01-03T11:59:02  <Procyon> That was a real winner...
2009-01-03T11:59:36  <Procyon> I know that the guy was only trying to help, but...
2009-01-03T11:59:58  <Procyon> Garrett: One thing I'm particularly interested in with vgopedia is competing with giantbomb on some level.
2009-01-03T12:00:57  <Procyon> Alright, well, everyone seems a little quiet today,
2009-01-03T12:01:04  <Procyon> so I suppose we can call it a day.
2009-01-03T12:01:13  <Procyon> Last chance for anyone to raise any concerns.
2009-01-03T12:01:18  <Prod> about anything
2009-01-03T12:01:20  <Prod> floor is open
2009-01-03T12:01:54  <Procyon> lol
2009-01-03T12:01:59  <Procyon> ok, I guess that's it.
2009-01-03T12:02:12  <Procyon> Thanks to everyone as always for coming.  I greatly appreciate it.
2009-01-03T12:02:52  <Procyon> Have a great weekend everybody